JS-Kit/Echo comments for article at http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2010/10/more-anti-gun-bigotry.html (43 comments)

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jsid-1286876479-466  Weer'd Beard at Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:41:19 +0000

I suspect he's in full retreat now.  Anything to protect his fragile and ficticious world-view intact.  I like how on his blog he claims to have been MORE open-minded on the issue before he got responces to his disgusting peice.

None of us belive this...tho I suspect he very-well might.

jsid-1286881430-344  Moshe Ben-David at Tue, 12 Oct 2010 11:03:50 +0000

Shalom Kevin,

I think I found more food for thought regarding Alan's problems.  He posted this on his blog as well:

After earning my keep as a:  potato picker, gardener, fruit harvester, hotel clerk, bellman, busboy, cook, waiter, sommelier, bartender, receptionist, secretary, notary public, proofreader, word processor, paralegal, tv repairman, tv extra, production assistant, tv writer/producer, tv director, filmmaker, photographer, mainframe operator, macro programmer, software designer, webmaster, online editor, search engine optimizer, content manager, blogging professor, blogfest organizer/emcee, plasma donor, sperm donor, hospital orderly, opinion panel member, psychology test participant, marijuana research subject, tour guide, taxi driver, chauffeur, nbc page, olympics security, riviera teeshirt entrepreneur, census clerk, marketing assistant, bookseller, crisis counselor, scribe, songwriter, poet, copywriter, technical writer, joke writer, microfictioneer, playwright, script doctor, literary translator, author and newswriter...

I still don't know what I want to be when I grow up.  [emphasis mine]

Moshe writes:  Many of those professions could have provided a very good living, but his other posts at his own blog indicate that he is poor and he very much hates people with money.  Note the screed about living next to the airport.

One of the most amazing things is that he lists "crisis counselor."  How ironic.  All of those different professions of which at least a third could be providing passive, continuous income had he been any good at them.  I think I can see where the penis envy thing is coming from.

I suppose if you've failed at everything you've ever attempted and on top of that, accepted the victim mentality, it would make sense that you walk around on edge all the time, easily succumbing to fits of apoplexy at the sight of others enjoying their God-given rights.

jsid-1286887930-632  GrumpyOldFart at Tue, 12 Oct 2010 12:52:10 +0000

Well, I don't accept that excuse.

I too have failed at basically everything I've tried, usually because of attitude issues. I doubt my list is as long as his (and I'm too lazy to tabulate it to find out), but I'll bet you that it's well over half that length. You see, I have the same attitude problems with the rules Corporate America(tm) insists that we all play by much like the left does. I find it deeply disturbing that it seems the vast majority of major companies out there want people who are 1) gullible, 2) extremely shallow, and 3) of questionable ethics in order to be considered a "team player".

So why am I not completely defined by my hatreds, as Mr. Baird appears to be? Simple:

I made the choice not to play that game. Corporate America(tm) never had the authority to insist that I had to play by their rules, only that I had to play by their rules if I wanted to play using their money instead of my own. I knew what the price would be before I made the decision, and made the same choice anyway. Annoying? Certainly. Surprising? Hardly.

And after paying the price of my decision for most of my adult life, I still stand by my contention that I got the best of the deal. But whether I did or not, I got the results of the deal I personally insisted on having.

Mr. Baird sounds like someone resenting the fact that Daddy doesn't hold his hand to cross the street anymore, nor does Mommy change him when he has poopy pants.

jsid-1286935539-403  Moshe Ben-David at Wed, 13 Oct 2010 02:05:40 +0000 in reply to jsid-1286887930-632

Hey GOF.   I am much like you.  I am currently not working for anybody else in the conventional sense.  Pretty much just farming and waiting for the economic melt-down if/when the so-called conservatives whimp out on us after January 2011.

I simply make the point that Alan listed quite a few things in his resume that, had he done them even moderately well, would still be paying dividends to this day.  Who does that much writing, be it songs, plays, software, or what have you, and yet doesn't collect any royalties? 

My actual point lies in the fact that he made lots of decisions that have led him to where he is now, and he can't possibly see that maybe he is to blame and not the "evil rich people" or the "evil gun people."  But his ending sentence really says it all.  He can't make up his mind because he doesn't want to grow up.

Alan, much like Markadelphia, is an interesting case study in arrested development.  Rather than developing his own life of fulfillment and leaving others to their own pursuits of happiness, he is ruled by his irrational emotions and fears of things he does not understand and does not want to try to understand.

jsid-1286888002-821  Ed "What the" Heckman at Tue, 12 Oct 2010 12:53:23 +0000

I found a copy of the original article in Google's cache. We The Armed copied the entire thing. Unfortunately, the cache image was captured after this guy had already invoked Reasoned Discourse™ and deleted the opposition comments from the blog, so there's no way to tell how well those posters behaved.

Here's the one from the next day which this guy also tossed down the memory hole as he tries to make himself sound like The Reasonable One.

National Quick-Draw Contest.

Reality-show pitch:

(1) Require all gun-permit holders to enter the National Quick-Draw Contest.

(2) Pair them up in shootouts.

(3) Survivors move into the next round.

(4) Repeat (2) and (3) until the gun problem is solved.


"If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns."

Right. But then you simply declare open season on the people who still have guns, and the cops will mop them up in no time.

Such a sweet, sweet human being.  *DONT_KNOW*

I also noticed his bio from that page:

"Alan lives just a stone's throw from Phoenix… which is fine and dandy, until the stones are thrown back."

If he wouldn't throw the stones in the first place…

jsid-1286888843-966  Sarah at Tue, 12 Oct 2010 13:07:24 +0000

I had a (much less vulgar) argument along the same line with a colleague once. He wouldn't trust himself with a gun, therefore no one else could be trusted with a gun. I believe the word for this is solipsism: It doesn't occur to such people that other people are not like them -- not angry, not lacking in self control, not filled with hatred. These people are neurotic, and neurosis should NEVER form the basis for policy.

jsid-1286889909-159  MisterLady27 at Tue, 12 Oct 2010 13:25:09 +0000

Hello Kevin,

1.  Nicely done.  Keep up the good word!


jsid-1286890553-176  Stuart the Viking at Tue, 12 Oct 2010 13:37:20 +0000

Right. But then you simply declare open season on the people who still have guns, and the cops will mop them up in no time.  
OH, I get it.  He just wants reasonable legislation.  He doesn't want to ban guns at all.  He just wants to KILL anyone who owns a gun.  Or, more precisely, he wants the government to kill anyone who owns a gun for him (because... you know... it would be dangerous so better let someone else do it).


jsid-1286893484-668  geekwitha45 at Tue, 12 Oct 2010 14:24:45 +0000

Ya know, there are some bigoted, unstable, crazy assed people running around loose.

That's all fine and groovey, as long as they're never put into a position to inform or make public policy.

We have to remind people that' it's *OK* to laugh at and disregard the input of lunatics, because if its taken seriously, the end result would be public policy formulated by loons.

Ah, damn.

Too late.

jsid-1286895607-55  dfwmtx at Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:00:07 +0000

A$$h*les like that are WHY I own guns.  Once they pick up the governmental fasces to crush the heads of a group they don't like,  the skull-crunching never stops.

jsid-1286896458-270  Rustmeister at Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:14:18 +0000

I hate to wonder how he survived the encounter. By his own admission, he should have been turned into "swiss cheese" the moment he saw the gun.

jsid-1286896617-880  mikee at Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:17:04 +0000

I know Godwin's Law, and Markley's Law. What internet law is it, when someone complains of receiving death threats and then does not document them? In this case, the supposed threats were reportedly deleted from the comments section of his blog post.

I don't know about anyone else, but if I ran a blog and got a death threat in the comments, I'd use it as blogfodder faster than I eat fresh hot donuts from Krispy Kreme (i.e., very very fast, with milk), and I'd document publicly the police report, the arrest of the perpetrator,  the trial and conviction, and the sentence received. To encourage the others, as the saying goes.

Therefore I think this guy's claims of death threats is possibly spurious. Or perhaps similar to my daughter's early childhood charge that I was "Yelling at her" whenever I told her to do anything she did not like.

jsid-1286902018-105  Ed "What the" Heckman at Tue, 12 Oct 2010 16:46:58 +0000 in reply to jsid-1286896617-880

He linked to two "sources" as examples of the "death threats". One was the We The Armed thread that Kevin linked to; though darned if I can find an actual "I'm coming to get you" kind of death threat there. The closest it got is essentially, "there will be consequences if you attack me." The second example was another "consequences" post, though this time he challenged the guy to "come and get them" himself instead of relying on others to do it for him—said with a great deal of profanity.

jsid-1286916002-241  khbaker at Tue, 12 Oct 2010 20:40:03 +0000 in reply to jsid-1286902018-105

If you go back and read very carefully, he references two "death threats" and lists two sites that link to him (neither of which contains a "death threat.")  It's almost clever what he did there.

jsid-1286896636-997  GB at Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:17:17 +0000

Had a guest come running up to me one day screaming"you have to get those two men out of here, they have guns!" The two men were plainclothes constabulary who had removed their coats while they had lunch. Explained this to customer. He left,with his spousal unit and his child declaiming that firearms were instruments of murder and should never be allowed in a family restaurant.Bought the cops lunch-thanked them for coming in.

jsid-1286897566-709  khbaker at Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:32:46 +0000 in reply to jsid-1286896636-997

I attended one of the Open Carry events at a Golden Corral restaurant in Phoenix a while back.  Not that Alan C. Baird would so lower himself to eat at a Golden Corral, but I wonder what his reaction would have been to the sight of about 40 people all carrying openly in a restaurant?  None of the other patrons seemed to mind.  I don't recall so much as a raised voice, much less apoplexy.  And the only "swiss cheese" in the entire venue was found as an ingredient at the buffet.

It's a different world these hoplophobes live in.

jsid-1286998318-631  Mike W. at Wed, 13 Oct 2010 19:31:58 +0000 in reply to jsid-1286897566-709

I attended an Open Carry gathering here in DE at IHOP in Wilmington at perhaps 11 AM on a Sunday.  The place was packed with families, women & children.  Thankfully no one like Mr. Baird came up to scream at and challenge any of our group of 15 or so armed men.

jsid-1286898907-287  perlhaqr at Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:55:07 +0000

What a jackass.

jsid-1286900833-531  randy at Tue, 12 Oct 2010 16:27:13 +0000

she's European. And like most civilized people, she often has trouble understanding some of Arizona's mediæval laws.

I find that particularly rich.

1. The equation of European with Civilized.  Europe, the continent that gave us witch hunts, the Inquisition, The Terror, Marxism, Facisim, NAZIsim, Communism, the Holocaust, Population Control through engineered famines, Ethnic Cleansing etc.....are automatically the civilized ones.  Uh huh.

2.  Mediaeval implies a herditery aristocracy, with only the chosen few and their minions allowed to own/carry weapons. Sounds to me the type of country he is wishing for, and is uncomfortable living among citzens in a free state vs the comfort of a serf being "taken care of" by that state.

jsid-1286901270-720  GrumpyOldFart at Tue, 12 Oct 2010 16:34:32 +0000 in reply to jsid-1286900833-531

Sounds to me the type of country he is wishing for, and is uncomfortable living among citzens in a free state vs the comfort of a serf being "taken care of" by that state.

Sounds to me like a French nobleman worrying about how the peasants are revolting.

jsid-1286912050-956  SiGraybeard at Tue, 12 Oct 2010 19:34:11 +0000 in reply to jsid-1286901270-720

"...the peasants are revolting."

"You said it! They stink on ice! " King Louis XVI, History of the World, Part I


jsid-1286903709-668  CAshane at Tue, 12 Oct 2010 17:15:10 +0000

"Guns are just murders waiting to happen."

then, summarized:  "If mgmt won't do anything about it, let's get guns for Christmas so we can come in here and kill anyone with a gun."

Mental problems indeed.

jsid-1286922487-78  Linoge at Tue, 12 Oct 2010 22:28:07 +0000 in reply to jsid-1286903709-668

Not at all - he is simply repeating what his wife and he are planning.  At the end of the "Gunfight" post, he clearly indicated that she and he were conspiring to entrap, provoke, and murder the open carrier, in cold blood. 

After a fashion, he agreed with the management, in every way possible. 

jsid-1286906934-839  Crotalus at Tue, 12 Oct 2010 18:08:55 +0000

Again with the gun=schlong argument. Might I suggest, Mr. Baird, that you use gun control as compensation for the lack of a vagina, which you secretly covet?

That's what anyone who uses that argument gets from me. And as soon as someone uses it, their credibility is gone, and I automatically dismiss anything else one has to say.

jsid-1286911592-510  Firehand at Tue, 12 Oct 2010 19:26:32 +0000

Apparently is wife is as reality-challenged as he is.  It not occuring that
A: He may not have made it to 'old' by being a pushover,
B: Walking away from the idiocy she proposes would prove he was NOT what they were accusing him of being, and
C: If they did such a thing, people WOULD call the cops, and their asses WOULD be in jail.

These people really are nucking futz.

jsid-1286918472-591  Sigivald at Tue, 12 Oct 2010 21:21:12 +0000

I'll believe he got real death threats when the police report on them gets published on his website.

Or when he posts them himself.

As of right now, though, I don't trust him to be able to manage English well enough vs. his bigotry to tell "loud disagreement" from "death threat", especially since he's already admitted he can't distinguish between being openly and peacefully armed and a threat of violence.

Given that he admits he doesn't know the difference there, why should I believe his "death threat" was something anyone else would see as a threat?

jsid-1286921829-606  Pandora at Tue, 12 Oct 2010 22:17:11 +0000

I shop at Whole Foods once in a while and carry ... though concealed .... and snigger to myself every minute I'm there.  If they only knew ....

jsid-1286925464-890  Linoge at Tue, 12 Oct 2010 23:17:55 +0000

Check out his latest "update": 

12 Oct Update: We bought handguns. To protect us from the gun wackos. Ironic, ain't it? We don't intend to carry them openly (it's still rude, which was my original point), but after reviewing our state's laws, all I can say is... wow. CCW (carrying a concealed weapon) without a permit. CCW in gloveboxes. CCW (w/permit) in bars. And my military discharge got me the permit. Arizona is a real Weapons Wonderland.

Well, then. 

jsid-1286980632-884  Sarah at Wed, 13 Oct 2010 14:37:13 +0000 in reply to jsid-1286925464-890

So.... lawfully wearing a weapon openly = going to make Swiss cheese out of everyone in sight, but lawfully concealing it = protection from wackos. Also, rude = murderous intent. Is there some academy where guys like this enroll to cultivate their peculiar synthesis of twisted reasoning and hysteria?

jsid-1286925664-775  Old NFO at Tue, 12 Oct 2010 23:21:04 +0000

Good post Kevin, as usual! I truly doubt he will bite and even bother to respond... sigh...

jsid-1286946880-743  agmartin at Wed, 13 Oct 2010 05:14:40 +0000

From Baird's post:

"We will return here on December 26th, and we will stand in front of that old fasz with our brand-new guns, and we will call him out." 'Fasz' is the Hungarian word for 'pr*ck.' When she starts peppering her conversation with Magyar expletives, it's a pretty good indication she's having no trouble at all with her English. "And if he tries to walk away, we will laugh at the size of his tiny shriveled-up fasz."

"He'll draw. You know he'll draw."

"He's old. We're faster."

Yes of course, the answer to some old man carrying a gun and minding his own business is to get your own guns and try to provoke something. Frackin loons.

jsid-1286984214-578  Russell at Wed, 13 Oct 2010 15:36:54 +0000 in reply to jsid-1286946880-743

It's a win-win for the creeps!

If the old guy does nothing, they can mock him for being a coward, if he gives them a beating they so richly deserve, they win by 'proving' his violent tendencies.

I hope they have a change of heart before that happens.

jsid-1286988247-326  Ken at Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:44:07 +0000 in reply to jsid-1286984214-578

Bullies and hysterical cowards. How fortunate for at least two other people they found each other.

jsid-1287032604-545  Greg Hunt at Thu, 14 Oct 2010 05:03:24 +0000 in reply to jsid-1286946880-743

I'm not a lawyer, but isn't this some kind of entrapment? Aren't they announcing that they intend to harass a private citizen with the intention of of provoking him into a violent fight? Doesn't the law state something about it being illegal to intentionally provoke a violent fight?

jsid-1286974430-388  GrumpyOldFart at Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:53:50 +0000

I wonder if the cops will allow him to update his blog when he gets arrested for attempting to murder some old man they didn't even know.

jsid-1286976634-933  geekwitha45 at Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:30:35 +0000

They *are* what they fear.  The must suck, being your own worst monster.

jsid-1286983385-910  Jeff Wood at Wed, 13 Oct 2010 15:23:06 +0000

An excellent piece, Kevin.

Some years ago, I read an article by a psychiatrist in practice - don't remember who after all this time - who gave as his (actually it might have been her) opinion that the most militant gun-banners have an underlay of psychological violence.

The shrink commented, from his casenotes, that such people had strong feelings of aggression towards those they disagreed with; that they often fantasised about shooting the "Other".

He or she concluded that his patients projected violent tendencies on to those who own firearms, assuming that because they, the patients could not be trusted with a gun then they, the shooters, could not be trusted.

The banners assume that we are as psychologically flawed and dangerous as them. At the time of the agitation here in Britain for the banning of handguns after the Dunblane massacre 1996, it was impossible to point this out, because some remarkably hostile people, who perfectly illustrated the point, were sitting alongside grieving parents, and using them as cover.

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jsid-1287069928-707  Gunnutmegger at Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:25:29 +0000

Well, I suspect that insecure, marginally-employed Alan is now regretting that he baird his soul.

heh heh


jsid-1287073875-252  Greg Hunt at Thu, 14 Oct 2010 16:31:15 +0000 in reply to jsid-1287069928-707


jsid-1287076574-97  Russell at Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:16:25 +0000

Apropos nothing:

Crime and Punishment, Part 5, Chapter 1

"He was one of the numerous and varied legion of dullards, of half-animate abortions, conceited, half-educated coxcombs, who attach themselves to the idea most in fashion only to vulgarise it and who caricature every cause they serve, however sincerely."

jsid-1287150542-673  echo6mike at Fri, 15 Oct 2010 13:49:02 +0000

"And my military discharge got me the permit" 

As a Marine, I'm always embarrassed for prior service members who act like friggin panzies.

jsid-1287318010-804  GrumpyOldFart at Sun, 17 Oct 2010 12:20:11 +0000

"And my military discharge got me the permit"

Are you sure it was a military discharge? Maybe it's something you picked up during that visit to Tijuana.


It seems to me that the guy has a lot of concepts in his vocabulary that he hasn't thought through. Words like "unarmed", "civilian", "protection", "safe", "threat", and quite a few others.

As a Squid, I can't help feeling that it's my duty to tradition to give the jarheads a ration of grief whenever the opportunity presents itself, but nonetheless I have an immense respect for them. Reagan was right when he said,"Most of us wonder if our lives made any difference. Marines don't have that problem."

However, I can think of an "unarmed civilian", whose decision in "peacetime" made him, in my opinion, the equal of any man who ever hit the beach at Iwo or Omaha. As far as I'm concerned, he became worthy of the company of such heroes with two words: "Let's roll."

Mr. Baird, there is no amount of weaponry, nor any amount of "compensation", that can make you the equal (or even in the same league) of an "unarmed civilian" named Todd Beamer. Nor, as Mr. Beamer showed, can any disarmament prevent you.

You frighten me, Mr. Baird. Not because you have armed yourself, a firearm is only a tool, whose usefulness and threat is according to the person whose hands it's in. No, it's not what you have that scares me, it's what you lack: Courage and judgement. A childish coward is a hazard to everyone around him, even when he's unarmed.

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