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jsid-1285968939-826  geekwitha45 at Fri, 01 Oct 2010 21:35:40 +0000

Federalist Papers.
Anti Federalist Papers.
Democracy In America.

It used to be this question didn't even need asking.

jsid-1285970608-120  Paul from Texas at Fri, 01 Oct 2010 22:03:30 +0000

 I 2nd all 3.

jsid-1285970922-297  Nate at Fri, 01 Oct 2010 22:08:42 +0000

It's more modern, but I heartily recommend Thomas Sowell's A Conflict of Visions. It's not specifically about the U.S. constitution, but if you're looking to contrast it with the notion of a living document, then this is the book for you since the two different interpretations are driven by very different mindsets.

jsid-1285973011-442  Toastrider at Fri, 01 Oct 2010 22:43:31 +0000

Geek: Don't be too hard on the person asking. At least they ARE asking the question, instead of basking in ignorance.

jsid-1285979755-411  Joe Huffman at Sat, 02 Oct 2010 00:35:55 +0000

In terms of the history of the making of the Constitution I doubt nothing can beat Plain and Honest Men. This book, which I just finished, essentially goes through the day-by-day events of the summer of 1787 in the Philadelphia and nearly line-by-line of the various drafts and proposals of the Constitution.

It is a good book if you like history. But it doesn't have a whole lot to contribute to present day politics.  If they are looking for a "original intent" versus "living document" debate they won't find it here.

jsid-1285984052-688  Ken at Sat, 02 Oct 2010 01:47:32 +0000

Barnett's Restoring the Lost Constitution delves into Constitutional history and philosophy. Napolitano's The Constitution in Exile (which I haven't read, I hasten to point out) also appears to cover that ground. Madison's Notes of Debates or Justice Story's Commentaries on the Constitution could also be useful. And it's hard to go wrong with gwa.45's suggestions either.

jsid-1285986921-698  khbaker at Sat, 02 Oct 2010 02:35:22 +0000 in reply to jsid-1285984052-688

Restoring the Lost Constitution is a college-level textbook.  It is NOT in any way, shape or form a light read.

jsid-1285989913-296  Ken at Sat, 02 Oct 2010 03:25:13 +0000 in reply to jsid-1285986921-698

I wondered about that, but it didn't specify as to whether the writer was college-age or not (and it's hard to tell, the way people write nowadays).

jsid-1285989625-203  Bob R. at Sat, 02 Oct 2010 03:20:25 +0000

2nd the Geekwitha 45.

Also recomment:
"Documents Illustrative of the Formation of the Union of the American States".  Assembled by the "Government Printing Office", 1927. (Original price was $2.85. Current equivalent in gold would be $181)

Was reprinted by "Spencer Judd, Publishers" in 1984.

Amoung other things, it contains:
Notes of Rufus King in the Federal Convention of 1787.
Notes of William Paterson in the Federal Convention of 1787.
Notes of Alexander hamilton in the Federal Convention of 1787.
Debates in the Federal Convention of 1787 as reported by James Madison.

Many more.

Original prints can be had for as little as $8 including shipping: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0006D8RNS/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&qid=1285989031&sr=8-13&condition=used

jsid-1286045299-756  bob r at Sat, 02 Oct 2010 18:48:19 +0000 in reply to jsid-1285989625-203

A note on "Documents Illustrative":  It's 1100+ pages, with an index.  Other than the index, all are "primary source" founding era documents.

jsid-1286036261-691  Borepatch at Sat, 02 Oct 2010 16:17:42 +0000

"The Founder's Second Amendment" which is realy about the entire Bill of Rights and why people thought it was needed.

jsid-1286061086-328  GrumpyOldFart at Sat, 02 Oct 2010 23:11:26 +0000

I can't help wondering what Mark's answer would be.

jsid-1286109430-712  geekwitha45 at Sun, 03 Oct 2010 12:37:10 +0000 in reply to jsid-1286061086-328

"Das Kapital"? :neener:

Actually, I doubt he'd recommend something that obvious.

jsid-1286075238-578  nurseinbox at Sun, 03 Oct 2010 03:07:19 +0000

Without question read "God of the Machine" by Patterson.  The best one on the philosophy of our government. 

jsid-1286075322-315  Guest (anonymous) at Sun, 03 Oct 2010 03:08:42 +0000

No Treason, by Lysander Spooner.


jsid-1286076209-77  Mark Horning at Sun, 03 Oct 2010 03:23:29 +0000

Federalist Papers
Anti-Federalist Papers

Read those then get back to us on the third.

jsid-1286084828-746  Jeroen Wenting at Sun, 03 Oct 2010 05:47:08 +0000

hmm, Obama's speeches during his election campaign come to mind. Where he claims more than once that he considers the constitution to be a minor stumbling block to be removed or ignored as needed to implement his agenda.

jsid-1286141176-270  randy at Sun, 03 Oct 2010 21:26:16 +0000 in reply to jsid-1286084828-746

I've heard several references to Barry's having been a Constitutional Law instructor/scholar.

To my mind, I keep coming back to Johnah Goldberg's Liberal Facism

Just because you've studied a subject, even written a book/taught a class on it, does not mean you approve of the subject.

The difference is that Goldberg is upfront in his disdain for his subject.

jsid-1286197846-301  Unix-Jedi at Mon, 04 Oct 2010 13:10:46 +0000 in reply to jsid-1286141176-270

You've got to understand something about the legal profession.

In order to teach - all you have to have done is graduated.  Most schools require that the teacher be "one degree up", ie, a masters to teach college-level, or a phd to teach masters level.

But I know several lawyers who had accepted jobs to teach - before they'd even graduated.

That's the situation Barry was in, and he could have been teaching contract law, or torts or anything else.  

It's more telling the projection that Obama supporters make with his lecturing, without considering their arguments.

jsid-1286227228-342  BenC at Mon, 04 Oct 2010 21:20:35 +0000

I was the one asking the question and I appreciate the imput and recommendations.
It is for my college history class.I am 43 and lost my job back in Feb. and I am going back to school to better my chances of finding a new one.
While I have always had an interest in history most of my knowledge of Goverment and the Constitution, until recently, was limited to what I learned watching Schoolhouse Rock on Sat. mornings. When I found the 2nd amendment blogs on the internet and by extension the goverment and constitutional blogs such as The Smallest Minority a couple of years ago,well I won't say my eyes were opened but it did express in words the things I was feeling but did'nt know exactly how to articultate and things, to my embarrassment, I hadn't really thought about much .I somtimes have alot of trouble expressing my thoughts and ideas in a coherant manner when writing and was looking for reccomendations that could help me with that issue.

Thanks BenC

jsid-1286249769-388  khbaker at Tue, 05 Oct 2010 03:36:09 +0000 in reply to jsid-1286227228-342

Did this help?

jsid-1286292941-478  mariner at Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:35:41 +0000


This doesn't appear to be responsive to your question, but I believe it really is:

PAUL REVERE'S RIDE by David Hackett Fisher

It explains, though not directly, why several things in our Constitution got there.

jsid-1286558339-336  1911Man at Fri, 08 Oct 2010 17:18:59 +0000

"The Making of America: The Substance and Meaning of the Constitution" by W. Cleon Skousen

Some blogreaders will give it a knee-jerk rejection based on Skousen's religion (Mormon) and the fact that most of his other books are Bible-oriented. That's called argumentum ad hominem. Look it up.

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