JS-Kit/Echo comments for article at http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2010/10/heres-interesting-test.html (39 comments)

  Tentative mapping of comments to original article, corrections solicited.

jsid-1287725182-755  Greg Hunt at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 05:26:23 +0000

Libertarian Socialism? WTF?

jsid-1287726675-553  Greg Hunt at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 05:51:15 +0000 in reply to jsid-1287725182-755

+.5 Moral Order, -8. Moral Rules.
"Ultra-Capitalism", half a point away from "Ultra-Liberalism". Both are being defined as "Minarchism".

Huh. Go figure.

The answer choices were far from adequate. Worse, if you opened up the "hints", the new definitions varied somewhat from the original definitions, so I don't know how accurate this is as a depiction of myself.

But more importantly: The results read like a fiscal/economic chart, not a moral chart. I'm thinking the writer doesn't quite grasp the difference between "morals" and "duties", or "laws", or social-contracts".

Then again, maybe I don't either.

jsid-1287756078-357  Bram at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:01:34 +0000 in reply to jsid-1287726675-553

I was in the same neighborhood.  I assume they are using the traditional definition of Liberalism (pro-liberty), not the current definition (socialist / statist).

jsid-1287759894-494  perlhaqr at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 15:04:57 +0000 in reply to jsid-1287726675-553

+1,-7.5, "Ultra-capitalism"  Which is odd, because as a self defined anarchist, I'd have put myself over in "Libertarian Capitalism".  *shrug*

jsid-1287760010-688  perlhaqr at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 15:06:50 +0000 in reply to jsid-1287759894-494

Though it did correctly pick my voting choices for the '04 and '08 elections.  (Badnarik and Paul)  So... maybe it's just that his labels are wierd.

jsid-1287729678-727  bgeek at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 06:41:18 +0000

0 Moral Order, -7 Moral Rules
Capitalism! Woooooo!!!

jsid-1287729703-325  Guest (anonymous) at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 06:41:43 +0000

Huh. Either the labels don't mean what I think they mean, or the questions don't mean what I think they mean, or I'm not who I think I am.

I took it twice, with somewhat, shall I say, more conservative answers the second time. It made little difference on the chart.

I'm rated in the lower right edge of "Capital democratism".

Tip-off: I don't particularly feel an affinity with any of the labels anywhere on the chart, and I felt that many of the answers offered didn't really show a spectrum on a given issue.


jsid-1287734071-876  Temnota at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 07:54:32 +0000

-1 Order, -8 Rules....I saw "Ultra-Liberalism" and my eye started to twitch.  Given how these folks define their terms, however, they're pretty much correct.  Fancy me being an ultra-liberal.  I should call Soros and tell him the good news.

jsid-1287734082-472  knirirr at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 07:54:42 +0000

I got -0.5 on "moral order" and -6.5 on "moral rules", which apparently indicates "progressive neoliberalism".


jsid-1287745773-551  Jim at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 11:09:33 +0000

1.5 Moral Order and -6 Moral Rules.  Conservative NeoLiberalism?  On some of the questions I was torn between 2 answers so I took the test again and changed them.  And got a 1.5 Moral Order and -4 Moral Rules.  Capital Republicanism. 

jsid-1287746560-959  Xenocles at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 11:22:41 +0000

What was your result, Kevin? (If I missed it, I'm still pre-coffee.)

jsid-1287757016-981  khbaker at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:16:56 +0000 in reply to jsid-1287746560-959

I didn't give them.  That's why I said the test was "interesting," not "good." 

It placed me at -0.5 on the Moral Rules scale and 0.0 on the Moral Order scale.

jsid-1287777507-521  Xenocles at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:58:27 +0000 in reply to jsid-1287757016-981

-2.5 MO x -6 MR

Apparently Bill Clinton lives in the area but it also recommended Michael Badnarik and Ron P@ul.

What does it mean when Jimmy Carter is the only modern president to be positive on "Moral Rules?"

jsid-1287748629-418  Ragin' Dave at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 11:57:09 +0000

Meh.  It defined me as a Conservative NeoLiberal, but I also left half the answers as "none of the above", and it said that only 1% of the test takers were more conservative than I am.

I'd say.....  well, I don't have to say anything, those results say all that needs to be said.

jsid-1287749827-322  Ken at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 12:17:08 +0000

I resolutely ignored "none of the above," and the best (for given values of best, there were some howlers in there) put me at -0.5 on Moral Order and -6.5 on Moral Rules. How the heck I didn't get -8 on Moral Rules I'll never know.

jsid-1287750463-684  Sailorcurt at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 12:27:43 +0000

Whenever I take one of these, I'm always looking for and thinking about the "codewords" embedded in it that are an artifact of the political persuasion of the author of the test.

When I read the question and the possible answers, my first instinct is "OK, this answer best fits my philosophy" immediately followed by: "but is that what they actually MEANT by that answer".

This one actually seems to have been pretty balanced in that respect at least.

I agree that this test has nothing to do with morality, but rather political/economic principles.  Unless, of course, they're trying to say that it's immoral to be in some particular category, but they don't define which.

The most disturbing thing to me is that my results said 64% of the respondents are more socialist than me.  I hope that's just an artifact of this not being a random sample.

BTW:  I only answered "none of the above" to one question.  Most of them had an answer that was reasonably close to my feelings on the matter, even if I'm still not real sure that the answer meant the same thing to the author of the questions as they did to me.

jsid-1287750936-555  geekwitha45 at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 12:35:36 +0000

As far as I can tell, this test is yanked directly from the ass of its creator, without basis on any recognizable theory of ethics or morals other than George Lakoff's fatuous bonfire of the strawmen.

jsid-1287756852-900  khbaker at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:14:12 +0000 in reply to jsid-1287750936-555

Geek wins the kewpie doll!  Have you read Lakoff's book?  I think I may have to pick up a copy.  From what little I've read about it, it apears that he's on to something, but he applies it far too broadly.

jsid-1287754309-828  bluesun at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 13:31:50 +0000

Apparently I'm a conservative neoliberal/ultra capitalist.  I had a problem with most of the choices, though.

jsid-1287754978-111  Robb Allen at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 13:42:58 +0000

It's funny that most of the people here seem to be pretty much the same, regardless of how goofy the questions were worded (I was .5 moral order, -7 moral rules).

It's funny though how 'capitalism' is put on the other side  of Liberalism, which is.... wrong. In fact, capitalism IS liberal. You want to buy product X? You want to trade your sexual experience for cash? You want to give cash for a substance that is frowned upon by polite society and then ingest it so that you can have hallucinations of Betty White slaying dragons? That's all based on capitalism.

jsid-1287756949-625  Jeff Wood at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:15:49 +0000

The bastards accused me of voting for John McCain.

Well, maybe, were I a US citizen; but they do not include a category "John McCain, holding your nose tightly".

Just on the border between Capital Republicanism and Conservative NeoLiberalism. There a few other chaps in the UK like that. We stand, each on a high hill, and wave to each other from 40 miles off.

jsid-1287757479-748  Quentin at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:24:40 +0000

This will confuse those in the Healthcare comments, for I score -3,-3.5

jsid-1287758073-310  geekwitha45 at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:34:33 +0000

HA! I'm  "progressive neoliberal".

jsid-1287765701-135  khbaker at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:41:41 +0000 in reply to jsid-1287758073-310

And I'm Shirley Temple Black.

jsid-1287758316-848  Guest (anonymous) at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:38:39 +0000

If you check the other categories, he shows where he puts the presidents going back to Carter.  Reagan was Conservative NeoLiberal and I'm proud to say that my spot was in the identical space. Other than that, not enought choices.  Answering none of the above did not seem to affect it much differently.

The inventor is French and admits that his world view probably biases the quiz.  I think that the quiz is off though, in the aggregate because its not random.

jsid-1287759030-46  Julie at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:50:30 +0000

Huh??? ... I ended up being -0.5 on moral order and -5 on moral rules ... and my 'system' was liberalism and my 'ideology' was capital democratism, progressiver neoliberalism AND the killer is that my party is DEMOCRATIC !!!!!!!!

jsid-1287762201-564  Rustmeister at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 15:43:34 +0000

Your scored 1.5 on Moral Order and -6 on Moral rules - Conservative NeoLiberalism, whatever that is.

jsid-1287764930-531  montieth at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:28:50 +0000

The thing I hate about tests like this is that they patently ignore the base principles of federalism. 

I don't think we should have ANY national level welfare. I do however thing state and local governments can and should have safety nets (not hammocks, but safety nets) as the local societies see fit for their areas. Get too many safety nets that get used as hammocks and you run into the problem of people moving there to lay about as it were. 

One size does NOT fit all. 

jsid-1287767541-100  BillH at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 17:12:21 +0000

Conservative neoliberalism... only Ragin Dave and his 1% rank more conservative.  And I DID NOT vote for McCain.

I will say though, for all it's shortcomings, this type of ranking system would be better than the one Netflix uses.

jsid-1287777293-134  kampfy at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:54:53 +0000

Your scored -0.5 on Moral Order and -7 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):
System: Liberalism Ideology: Progressive NeoLiberalism, Ultra Liberalism Party: No match. Presidents: Ronald Reagan 04' Election: Michael Badnarik 08' Election: Ron Paul

Except for Reagan being my president (I would have gone with Coolidge) I'm not surprised by any of the rest.  Though I guess they mean classical liberal.

jsid-1287782849-398  roicnante at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 21:27:29 +0000

Jon Haidt's theory of moral reasoning makes so much more sense than Lakoff's and while he admits to being liberal, Haidt really does take the differences in how conservatives and libertarians make moral decisions seriously.

On the other hand, Lakoff comes up with a nice theory - and then spends all of his time talking about how his theory proves conservatives are evil / brain-damaged / whatever, just better at 'framing' than liberals. 

jsid-1287782873-312  roicnante at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 21:27:53 +0000 in reply to jsid-1287782849-398

Sadly, Professor Haidt doesn't have a handy-dandy quiz.

jsid-1287784038-141  Mastiff at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 21:47:18 +0000 in reply to jsid-1287782873-312

Actually, he does:


jsid-1287783038-916  roicnante at Fri, 22 Oct 2010 21:30:39 +0000 in reply to jsid-1287782849-398

He does, however - correctly - put Thomas Sowell in opposition to George Lakoff.

His TED lecture is good, too - especially when he takes his fellow liberals to task for stereotyping...

jsid-1287900431-255  nemesis443 at Sun, 24 Oct 2010 06:07:11 +0000

Conservative Neoliberalism. 4.5 on moral order and -6.0 on moral rules.

jsid-1287932640-15  J.S.Bridges at Sun, 24 Oct 2010 15:04:00 +0000

For me, -1 Moral Order, -3.5 Moral Rules - which actually is not too far off from what I consider to be my basic political/philosophical base. However, he was way, way off on the elections - no chance I would ever vote for Slick Willie Clintoon for any public office!

The devisor of this little deal has his head lodged somewhat up his fundament when it comes to who's what in American political life, that's obvious...

jsid-1287961388-356  Mark Horning at Sun, 24 Oct 2010 23:03:08 +0000

1.5 by -7.5.  Ultra-Capitalism.  I suppose that's a fair middling match for a Randian Anarcho-capitalist.

jsid-1288007422-266  Splodge Of Doom at Mon, 25 Oct 2010 11:50:22 +0000

I had never even heard of a Progressive NeoLiberalist until the test told me I was one.

jsid-1288223605-937  markm at Wed, 27 Oct 2010 23:53:27 +0000

When the chart shows "Progressivism" right next to "Libertarian Capitalism" you know that freedom isn't included in the calculations.

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