JS-Kit/Echo comments for article at http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2010/06/only-strictest-control-of-firearms-will.html (42 comments)

  Tentative mapping of comments to original article, corrections solicited.

jsid-1275563752-128  Grumpy Student at Thu, 03 Jun 2010 11:15:52 +0000

The bodies weren't even cold before the gun control advocates were on the TV telling all that it was too easy to get a firearms license.

Before we even knew that the guns were legal.

They really are disgusting human beings.

jsid-1275566196-366  staghounds at Thu, 03 Jun 2010 11:56:44 +0000

Know what you don't hear discussed in the media? The media's role in making these happen.

"Hey you, dark nutjob in your dirty cellar, watching hours of coverage of NAME NAME NAME's rampage.

This is the media/political complex that runs the earth- we have a message for you!

Don't do it, but if you kill a bunch of people, the whole world will drop what it's doing and care about YOU. Prime ministers, rich men, the cute girl from high school who didn't even know your name, those supervisors at work, the $%^& QUEEN- you know, Winston Churchill's old boss- will know your name and CARE about YOUR MOTIVATION.

And we know you'd never want THAT to happen.

Just thought you'd like to know, in case it affected your plans."

jsid-1275567892-765  Guest (anonymous) at Thu, 03 Jun 2010 12:24:52 +0000

Or in this case OVER THREE HOURS away.

jsid-1275567981-985  wrm at Thu, 03 Jun 2010 12:26:22 +0000

Problem is, the royal family has $STACKS of shotguns. Can't ban those, oh no.

So this is going to prove to be... interesting. In an "only ones" way, maybe.

jsid-1275574395-194  khbaker at Thu, 03 Jun 2010 14:13:16 +0000 in reply to jsid-1275567981-985

Yup.  Thinking about it now, I doubt they'll try another "turn 'em all in" ban.  Instead, they'll just make it damned near impossible to get and keep a license to possess.

But the Royals won't have a problem with that.

I'll have another piece up tonight on this topic.

jsid-1275572937-378  Grumpy Student at Thu, 03 Jun 2010 13:48:57 +0000


If you graph the data you linked to for the Gun Contol Network (injuries, not gun crime because of course after 1997 that now includes possession!) you get a pretty sweet graph.  You can see exactly the point where hand-guns became illegal.

Yes, I'm very bored at work.

jsid-1275577236-468  Unix-Jedi at Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:00:36 +0000


And he even references you in return!

but the notion that more legal gun ownership would have helped matters I just find utterly incomprehensible.

We know. Of course, you're still calling a violent drunk in the process of committing felonies "innocent", so good thing nobody gunned down the "innocent taxi driver" while he was busy.

 Derrick Bird simply would not have succeeded in killing as many people with a lower grade of weapon, no matter how murderous his intent.

It didn't work! Do it HARDER!

Of course it remains to be seen how Bird obtained his weapons,

No, it doesn't. He's made up his mind, guns are to blame, and who cares how many rapes or "bumps and bruises" - just so one lone gunman can't go on an unopposed rampage for three and a half hours, he's happy being "unafraid". 
He and Markadelphia are kindred spirits, that's for sure.

jsid-1275577446-480  Unix-Jedi at Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:04:07 +0000

Geez. It was only a year ago that he was that stupid? Seems a helluva lot longer than that.

jsid-1275577710-274  Unix-Jedi at Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:08:30 +0000

Of course, Kelly's going to get deranged over your cult, again.

After all, he's the perfectly logical one, and you're the one pointing your followers to harass him!

jsid-1275578260-142  khbaker at Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:17:40 +0000

Yeah, I just left a comment on his front page post.

jsid-1275578995-86  Ed "What the" Heckman at Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:29:55 +0000

His post is here. Just as irrational as ever.

jsid-1275584229-722  Unix-Jedi at Thu, 03 Jun 2010 16:57:09 +0000 in reply to jsid-1275578995-86

Well, yeah.

That's the thing about living in a fantasy world, you never need look at reality.

I don't know why Kevin bothers "engaging" him - he's fundamentally dishonest on top of his delusions.

And at this point, I don't know if the UK is saveable.  Merely putting guns on the street won't help someone like Kelly - he's too scared of responsibility to act himself.  I don't know that he's that rare a case.

The only people willing to stand up for what they believe in are the predators now.  Everybody else is huddling, paying the danegelt.

jsid-1275580288-1  Splodge Of Doom at Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:51:28 +0000


Interestingly, before the handgun ban the police did not feel the need to patrol the rougher estates of London with MP5s.

I'm really starting to loathe my homeland...

jsid-1275583845-322  Matt B at Thu, 03 Jun 2010 16:51:57 +0000

I posted a comment over there. Its amazing how blind he can be.

jsid-1275585528-454  Unix-Jedi at Thu, 03 Jun 2010 17:20:38 +0000 in reply to jsid-1275583845-322

Matt: don't feed him.

He needs to feel persecuted, to be "threatened".  He's quite immune to facts or history - just let him be, and let the UK sink.

jsid-1275584341-958  Richard at Thu, 03 Jun 2010 16:59:02 +0000

There are over 1/2 a million shotgun shooters here in the UK. Politically we are not going to be as easily oppressed as the 47,000 pistol shooters were. I live in hope that we will ride this out without any new legal idiocy despite the vileness of the left trading on peoples grief and loss..

jsid-1275598713-324  DJ at Thu, 03 Jun 2010 20:58:33 +0000 in reply to jsid-1275584341-958

"There are over 1/2 a million shotgun shooters here in the UK."

Amazing. There are more than that in Oklahoma, out of a population of 3.6 million.

jsid-1275600856-829  khbaker at Thu, 03 Jun 2010 21:34:16 +0000 in reply to jsid-1275598713-324

That's something I'll be writing about tonight.

jsid-1275603604-52  Lyle at Thu, 03 Jun 2010 22:20:04 +0000 in reply to jsid-1275584341-958

Richard; if there were half a million shotgunners during the run-up to the handgun ban, why didn't they stop it?  Is this one of those "first they came for the assault rifles, and  I didn't speak up, because I didn't have an assault rifle..." sort of stories?  You know how that one ends; "then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up."

jsid-1275605916-332  Britt at Thu, 03 Jun 2010 22:58:36 +0000 in reply to jsid-1275603604-52

That's always the strategy of the statist: divide and conquer. Every single one, from Lenin down to Obama says the same thing: Group X is injuring you in some roundabout, secret way. They should be punished. I can punish them for you. Once they're punished, everything will be perfect.

jsid-1275607490-928  Scott at Thu, 03 Jun 2010 23:24:50 +0000 in reply to jsid-1275603604-52

That's why I vote with the off-roaders, the hunters, and the smokers here in Cali.  We're all targeted by the same nanny state advocates.  It's time to turn this tide. 

jsid-1275856148-345  Richard at Sun, 06 Jun 2010 20:29:08 +0000 in reply to jsid-1275603604-52

Sad but true.

jsid-1275596217-426  ExurbanKevin at Thu, 03 Jun 2010 20:16:57 +0000

To quote someone I know, "Dude, Vanderleun reads you!" :)

Nice post. 

jsid-1275600567-507  ML27 at Thu, 03 Jun 2010 21:29:27 +0000

Has no one reminded the Brits that in most places in the US, his "rampage" would not have endured 3.5 hrs - BECAUSE of a handgun in the hands of a good guy ???  Absolutely irrational.

"They have turned away from the truth and believe a lie" - to paraphrase an old Book.


jsid-1275610984-122  DirtCrashr at Fri, 04 Jun 2010 00:23:04 +0000

Shotgunners are toffs?  I made the body-count/stoppage point just to be a nuisance.  The last couple attempts by such psychos have been stopped here rather quickly by people with guns.
Fort all his crap about "more, try again, harder" he's a committed moron and imbecile.

jsid-1275613027-361  James Kelly at Fri, 04 Jun 2010 00:57:07 +0000

I see I misjudged you all last year - you really are a truly delightful bunch.  In case you miss my latest post, half of you are arguing on a false premise - with the recent change of government in Britain (it's conservatism, Jim, but not as you know it) the chances of fresh legislation are fairly slim.

jsid-1275617223-69  Lyle at Fri, 04 Jun 2010 02:07:03 +0000 in reply to jsid-1275613027-361

I'd hate to have to bet my life on modern British "conservatism".  Let's see; in the 1930s, the Nazis were the "right" and the communists were the "left" in the mind of the Eurosphere.  Not much choice there.  I'm not convinced that it's changed all that much since.

jsid-1275618376-892  khbaker at Fri, 04 Jun 2010 02:26:24 +0000 in reply to jsid-1275613027-361

That may be so, James, but it won't stop new regulations for the acquiring and keeping of firearms and shotgun certificates.  That won't require legislation.  It'll just be administrative rules changes.

jsid-1275661406-167  theirritablearchitect at Fri, 04 Jun 2010 14:23:26 +0000 in reply to jsid-1275613027-361

"In case you miss my latest post, half of you are arguing on a false premise..."

Like you'd know, asswipe?

Get lost, loser.

jsid-1275663801-755  James Kelly at Fri, 04 Jun 2010 15:03:21 +0000 in reply to jsid-1275661406-167

Er, know more about the political situation in the UK than someone who uses the word "asswipe"?  Yep, I think I'm on reasonably safe ground there.  And as I'm imparting news that presumably you'd approve of, I'm struggling to see what your problem is.

jsid-1275670449-229  theirritablearchitect at Fri, 04 Jun 2010 16:54:09 +0000 in reply to jsid-1275663801-755

James, Jimmy, Asswipe,

We ALL know who you are here, and I DON'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS ABOUT WHAT YOUR MESSAGE IS.


jsid-1275670933-490  James Kelly at Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:02:13 +0000 in reply to jsid-1275670449-229


Oh dear - that sounds disturbingly like 'reasoned discourse' to me.  Kevin will not approve.

jsid-1275673662-479  khbaker at Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:47:42 +0000 in reply to jsid-1275670933-490

Nope, I don't.  I want you to espouse your philosophy here so people can look at it and be appalled. ;)

jsid-1275665760-188  Ken at Fri, 04 Jun 2010 15:36:01 +0000 in reply to jsid-1275613027-361

Dear James: May you get what you ask for.

Soon, and hard.

jsid-1275670691-548  James Kelly at Fri, 04 Jun 2010 16:58:11 +0000 in reply to jsid-1275665760-188

"Soon, and hard."

Hmm.  I've always suspected this gun fetish is like a porn substitute.

jsid-1275674060-798  khbaker at Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:57:44 +0000 in reply to jsid-1275670691-548

I've always suspected this gun fetish is like a porn substitute.

Which is why people like you keep insisting that guns are just penis substitutes, but fall surprisingly silent when women and the elderly use them in self defense.

You keep telling us they'd be safer if they were disarmed.

jsid-1275675610-893  theirritablearchitect at Fri, 04 Jun 2010 18:20:10 +0000 in reply to jsid-1275670691-548

"Hmm.  I've always suspected this gun fetish is like a porn substitute"

And you wonder why I don't care for your filth being spread around here, on Kevin's fine blog, no matter the subject.


Look it up.

jsid-1275677715-463  Ken at Fri, 04 Jun 2010 18:55:15 +0000 in reply to jsid-1275670691-548

I see that, among the wreckage of whatever passes for your education, you haven't been made familiar with Henry Louis Mencken.

But you did just tell me something about yourself, so it hasn't been a dead loss.

jsid-1276527688-410  Mike W. at Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:01:28 +0000 in reply to jsid-1275613027-361

"with the recent change of government in Britain the chances of fresh legislation are fairly slim."

Incorrect.  The so-called "conservatives" have passed plenty of gun control in the UK, as have the liberals.

jsid-1275619681-401  Kevin S at Fri, 04 Jun 2010 02:48:03 +0000

According to the story, the cops were following this guy as he went on his spree? WTF? Did they do nothing to stop him? Health and Safety regs stop them? Really, if they won't protect the populace - which has been rendered defenseless by parliament - what effing use are they?

jsid-1275663870-693  perlhaqr at Fri, 04 Jun 2010 15:04:30 +0000

Hrm.  So, at what point does it become worthwhile to acquire Airstrip One as the 51st State?

jsid-1275670826-760  DirtCrashr at Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:00:26 +0000

I'm glad I'm not in that half arguing a false premise about the political nature of Britain.  But lour atest FBI statistics show that while Americans have been buying guns, violent crime has been dropping.  What we have here in the Colonies is a situation where more guns - including many many more female gun owners - equals leess murder.

Meanwhile what Britain has is strict regulations that criminals being criminal and all simply ignore, lax sentencing for violent offenders unleess the person used self-defense then the punishment is harsh, a police force that is politically motivated to avoid criminals and under-reports violent crime, and a population shivvering in constant fear and generally incapacitated - and incapable of self-rescue by government fiat.
Hows that for some sweeping generalizations?  The Britain of my grandfather is no more, it's now a land of Chavs and sheep - dependent subjects of Big Governmment.

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