JS-Kit/Echo comments for article at http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2010/05/and-then-there-were-forty-nine.html (13 comments)

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jsid-1273022569-77  Justin Buist at Wed, 05 May 2010 01:22:49 +0000

I was under the impression that the Nevada chapter changed its tune right after Heller.

Yep:  http://www.aclunv.org/aclu-nevada-supports-individual’s-right-bear-arms  That page's post date is June 27, 2008 with the same verbiage.

jsid-1273023015-462  khbaker at Wed, 05 May 2010 01:30:15 +0000

D'OH!  Good catch Justin.  Note made.

jsid-1273027830-877  Greg Hunt at Wed, 05 May 2010 02:50:30 +0000

"Certainly, when you have the notion of "well-regulated" right in the constitutional language itself, it seems to defy any argument that regulation is inconsistent with the amendment."

Ouch. That made my brain hurt.

jsid-1273027943-655  rick randall at Wed, 05 May 2010 02:52:23 +0000

I thought the Texas chapter of the ACLU was also pro-2nd Amendment. . .

jsid-1273032470-160  Xrlq at Wed, 05 May 2010 04:07:50 +0000

Meh.  Let's see the local chapter of the ACLU weigh in on behalf of the Second Amendment in at least one state whose population isn't overwhelmingly pro-gun, and then I might pretend to care.  Maybe.

jsid-1273059603-363  Bram at Wed, 05 May 2010 11:40:03 +0000

After the revolution, the re-written Constitution won't have any of the ambiguity.  By "well-regulated" the Founders obviously meant well-trained.

jsid-1273061102-841  geekwitha45 at Wed, 05 May 2010 12:05:02 +0000

Didn't the Texas ACLU chapter also come out in favor of private arms a few years back? I'm pretty sure Nevada's not the first...

jsid-1273065697-209  MattCFII at Wed, 05 May 2010 13:21:37 +0000

My understanding is that a good number of state ACLU chapters are pro2A and can often differ from national on a lot of issues.  Tom Gresham had a representative from a state chapter (I think Louisiana) trying to help a man get his guns back after they were confiscated (post Katrina) and he wasn't even charged wit ha crime but they kept his gun.  

Honestly until the National ACLU recognizes the 2nd Amendment as an individual right and self defense as human right I'm not jumping up and down to celebrate.  Strossen's not taking the historical context on "well-regulated" and thinking up what she wants it to mean today (or as of 2003) is a prefect example of National's issues with fooling themselves into not supporting this key right.

jsid-1273072854-709  dfwmtx at Wed, 05 May 2010 15:20:54 +0000

I'd say our firearms usage is already well-regulated in the sense there's plenty of laws regarding the conduct of carry & ownership.  Only those fools who hate guns see firearms as being "unregulated".

jsid-1273101925-735  Guest (anonymous) at Wed, 05 May 2010 23:25:25 +0000 in reply to jsid-1273072854-709

"Well-regulated" in the Founding Fathers day didn't mean regulations or rules like today, it mean properly functioning. That really changes how you read that first half when you understand the English of the day and that the irregular millita (which was important to winning the Revolution against the best army of the day) was every male citizen 15-50ish.

jsid-1273077068-197  Randy at Wed, 05 May 2010 16:31:08 +0000

If the National ACLU interpreted the Second Amendment the way the do the First, they would be suing the Fed.Gov to provide free hand guns and real assualt rifles (i.e. with the magic happy selector postion, not just anything a J School grad finds scary)  and ammo to any citizen that could not afford it.

jsid-1273102021-738  morky at Wed, 05 May 2010 23:27:01 +0000

" subject to constitutionally permissible regulations,"

ummm, there are none.

and nadine didn't even get the verbiage correct - here's the real thing:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

jsid-1273121922-603  Timmeehh at Thu, 06 May 2010 04:58:42 +0000

You forgot to mention the way she conveniently leaves out the words "THE PEOPLE" in the 2A.

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