JS-Kit/Echo comments for article at http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2010/03/so-evil-party-has-near-pyrrhic-victory.html (21 comments)

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jsid-1269317124-439  Preston at Tue, 23 Mar 2010 04:05:24 +0000

Are there ANY decent, freedom-loving Republicans in congress?  We need to get more of them, and primaries are where we should start.

jsid-1269358587-599  Matt B at Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:36:27 +0000 in reply to jsid-1269317124-439

Duh. Ron Paul. One of the few. Unfortunately people are blinded by war to not realize he is the only option to save liberty HERE. Screw over there. 

jsid-1269318754-389  Guest (anonymous) at Tue, 23 Mar 2010 04:32:34 +0000

I'm not being cynical, I'm being a realist.

Welcome aboard Kevin. As this cartoon illustrates, I've been there for a very long time.

jsid-1269319096-150  khbaker at Tue, 23 Mar 2010 04:38:16 +0000 in reply to jsid-1269318754-389

I prefer this one:

jsid-1269320130-707  Pascal (the derivative) at Tue, 23 Mar 2010 04:55:30 +0000 in reply to jsid-1269319096-150

That works too, but I'm not its author. ;)  
(I thought I was still logged in when I posted the last comment. This may be one of the drawbacks of this method of commenting. Haloscan, for all its limitations, at least kept my cybernom in its cache.)

jsid-1269319691-294  DirtCrashr at Tue, 23 Mar 2010 04:48:11 +0000

The Stupid Party, being as they are stupid, can't really be trusted to accomplish this very well without many stumbles and side-trips to the altar of BigGovernment.  If any of you's read the history of the ancient Hebrews it's a similar pattern.  They "get" religion briefly, then abandon it to ride a whore buck-nekkid in the backseat of a car.

jsid-1269319808-970  juris_imprudent at Tue, 23 Mar 2010 04:50:09 +0000

in the backseat of a car

Car?  Surely that should've have read chariot.

jsid-1269325389-735  Britt at Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:23:09 +0000

I'm really at the screw 'em point. Screw the idiots who thought Social Security would be solvent. Screw the hordes of bureaucrats and welfare parasites living off the labor of the productive. Why should we fix the system to save them? If ObamaCare is repealed, then the older entitlements, the ones the vast majority of people want to stay, will still bankrupt the country. Even assuming it can be fixed, why would I bother? They'll just vote to recreate it, because that's much easier then working for a living. Let it break down, and let them starve. Let them riot for their "rights". We have the guns. Because if you could fix it, all that would happen would be to let the gravy train roll on for a few more years, those who benefit would curse your name, as they do now. They hate you, even as you feed them and clothe their children. Why would you save them from the consequences of their actions?

You can't fix it. The rot has sunk too deep, the corruption is too entrenched. No one can do what needs to be done, because the electorate will never vote for that kind of program. They want the slops to keep filling the trough until they die. That's all they care about. Freedom doesn't mean anything to people, because the vast majority of people have no idea what it's like to be enslaved. In this case, even the memory of what was won so long ago has been lost. The rough men join the new legions, who labor in far off wilds and keep the homeland safe. They come home to the grateful thanks of some, the spiteful hatred of a few, but most are simply indifferent. You cannot know courage without fear, you cannot know what you have until you know what it's like to lose it.

I thought I might see the final death rattle of the Republic in my lifetime. I just didn't think it would be so soon. The worst thing about it is that there is no place left to go. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. When they raise the taxes so that they take most of my wealth, when the military cutbacks lead to all kinds of nasty events, when despite ever rising spending the machine begins to break down the politicians will look for scapegoats. They will settle on the ants, who much diminished will not be able to support the grasshoppers in the style to which they are accustomed.Then they will find just how dangerous it is to take everything away from people. People with nothing to lose are very dangerous people indeed.

jsid-1269357983-400  perlhaqr at Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:26:23 +0000 in reply to jsid-1269325389-735

I don't want to save it for them, I want to save it for me.  I don't need their thanks, I need them to leave me alone.

"Fixing it", in this case, would seem to include "not letting them have a say in things any more".  Adults only.

jsid-1269330466-107  Will at Tue, 23 Mar 2010 07:47:46 +0000

One of the side effects of this slide into the dark side, is the almost certainty that we will go adventuring with our military, at some point down the road. Only question is how long will it take. I'm guessing a lot quicker than you would think. And, when we go carving out a chunk of the world to keep for our own, you can bet the other players will follow suit.
Well, other questions arise. Such as, how many power blocks will shake out after the dust settles. May you live in interesting times, indeed!
But, yeah, I think we are seeing the death of the Republic. Quick or slow? Violent or peaceful? And, when will the citizens realize it has died?

jsid-1269351477-638  Unix-Jedi at Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:37:57 +0000

One of the side effects of this slide into the dark side, is the almost certainty that we will go adventuring with our military, at some point down the road. 


I think that's the Navy slogan, not the Military as a whole.

I assume you mean as in "invade, 'colonize' and conquer", but that's rather silly.  So what exactly are you referring to?

jsid-1269358708-359  Jonathan at Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:38:29 +0000

The problem really lies in the fact that Republicans don't trust We the People with freedom any more than Democrats do.  Republicans don't really believe in individual liberty and a free society.  Reagan did, but the modern GOP does not.  If they did, there would be the counter narrative the compelling story that would resonate with the American people far more than the dependency and abrogation of personal responsibility that Democrats offer.  America isn't lurching to the left because the left is correct.  America is lurching to the left because Republicans stopped believing in conservative values.

jsid-1269360991-556  DirtCrashr at Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:16:31 +0000

If we go carving out a chunk of the world to free from tyranny and keep for our own, I hope it includes California.  We don't need to conquor the world, we need to re-conquor ourselves from the stupid seduction of Big Government and the ridiculous tryst with One-World Government.

jsid-1269379444-405  Lyle at Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:24:04 +0000

"Two tax incentives, health accounts, crossing state lines, tort reform, competition on an auto insurance bun."
See the nanny state measures in there?  There are two of them-- tax incentives and health accounts.  If we're advocating nanny.gov telling us; "if you do this, then we will grant you that, and if you do this other thing, you get special consideration over here, etc." then we've missed the boat.  That's still embracing a nanny state, just in a different fashion.
We need to tell "the story" it is true, but that story isn't in the specifics of any particular issue.  The story is in the basic principles of liberty.  If those are understood, the individual will know how to frame the issues, without being told.  The basic message, putting crudely, is "get the fuck out of other people's lives" or; "no rights violation = no crime = none of .gov's business whatsoever".  It isn't complicated.  We don't need to tweak the nanny state.  We need to exterminate it.  Asking the question; "What should government do about healthcare" is really the wrong question, but if it has any answer at all it would be; "get out of the way completely, and stay out permanently".

To come up with any other answer is to abandon the principles of liberty and embrace the nanny state, and we're right back to some version of ObamaCare some time in the future.  We've invited the enemy into our house, and watch him closely as we might, he's going to be plotting and scheming, trying to win our trust, and he'll spring on us at the first opportunity.

jsid-1269382795-453  khbaker at Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:19:56 +0000 in reply to jsid-1269379444-405

(*sigh*)  And that . . . is why we FAIL.

Gun control has not been swept back - yet.  But it has been rolled back, slowly, incrementally, the same way we got there.

To change a culture takes one of two things:  time, or catastrophe.  Our opponents have taken decades to get us to this point.  It will take decades (if ever) to steer us away from Statism.  It's a long, hard slog and too few of the "liberty-minded" have the stomach for it.  They want it NOW!  And too many of them are willing to tear it all down to GET IT, but tearing it all down won't do that.  It'll just get us a different form of tyranny - "for our own good."  And far too many of our neighbors will be happy to live under that tyranny, because it'll be safer than what the "liberty-minded" are offering them. 

To quote LabRat:  "(W)hy libertarianism is always such a minority political theory in nearly any given society: if there is any concept that is completely and utterly alien to the original primate, it is 'mind your own business'."

jsid-1269388542-383  OhioDude at Tue, 23 Mar 2010 23:55:42 +0000

With a HT to Hugh Hewitt @ PowerLine

1) Win the War
2) Appoint the Judges
3) Secure the Borders
4) Control the Spending
5) Balance the Budget
6) Develop Energy Independence ... mine

Simple   18 words  Does it enhance our Freedom, Security, Self-Reliance ?

Distilled own, it yields this simple calculus ... Productives  v  Parasites  ( PC, colorblind criteria )

If the RINOP doesn't get it's shi'ite together, it's gonna go bad. And since they are 'nadless, prepare accordingly.

jsid-1269397474-637  juris_imprudent at Wed, 24 Mar 2010 02:24:34 +0000

1) Exactly how do you win a war against a method?
2) Scalia, Roberts?
3) Like the East Germans?
4) W-T-F?
5) Friedman argued a larger deficit meant little if govt as a % of GDP was smaller.

See the problem with conservatives - they don't even understand the frakkin' problem.  What a pathetic alternative to progressives/liberals.

jsid-1269399304-269  Britt at Wed, 24 Mar 2010 02:55:04 +0000 in reply to jsid-1269397474-637

Because the commies had to build a fence to keep people out. I mean, I know it's de rigeur for the uber-libertarians to insist that free immigration must also equal open borders, but that's just plain crap. Right now we have a welfare state, entitlements on demand. We might, just might, have the slimmest hope of beginning a turnaround, a Fabian strategy to advance liberty, and you want to open the gates to millions of Third World peasants who will be met at the border by whatever ACORN is calling itself this week and told all about the "rights" they should vote for. Honestly, what do you think 30 million utterly impoverished people are going to do? Work hard, save, leave their children a little better off and so on? Or are they going to vote Democrat and get the free checks the government is handing out?

But yeah, conservatives are the problem. The liberty minded have the slimmest chance (I think its doomed, but we have to try) to start a turnaround because the silent majority has finally been woken up, and you want to hand the statists the weapon they need to offset the millions of Tea Party folks and disillusioned moderates: a brand new monolithic voting bloc dependent on federal money. Super. Because Texas becoming a blue state will be a great help on the long road back from serfdom.

As for deficit spending, I don't like it. Basic realities being tossed aside led us to where we are now. Fractional reserve banking is a fancy word for spending 1 dollar 5 different places, and deficit spending is spending on credit. Now, you can do that, but you shouldn't make a habit of it. My credit card is for emergencies, not for daily use. If you could trust the FedGov to only use it when they needed it, this wouldn't be a problem. Since they do it all the time, you take the cards away, and when the car breaks they can ride the bus till you can get it fixed.

jsid-1269440856-856  juris_imprudent at Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:27:40 +0000 in reply to jsid-1269399304-269

Right now we have a welfare state, entitlements on demand.

Fine, and are conservatives talking about doing anything about THAT?  No, instead they wail hysterically about more non-white people coming to the country.

Honestly, what do you think 30 million utterly impoverished people are going to do? Work hard, save, leave their children a little better off and so on?

You mean like our grandparents or great-grandparents did?  When the Irish immigrated here in mass numbers, there was no welcoming committee - in fact the locals of the day sounded a lot like Pat Buchanan does today.  I wonder if he ever considers that irony?

In my opinion that is what has always made this country exceptional in human history.  That people immigrate here for freedom and opportunity.  If all I wanted was to live on the dole, well, I'd look at moving to England.

Fractional reserve banking is a fancy word for spending 1 dollar 5 different places, and deficit spending is spending on credit.

Two different issues.  I have no interest in arguing with a gold fetishist on the first point.  As to the second, it doesn't refute Friedman's argument - the deficit isn't as much of a problem as the scale of spending.

jsid-1269471075-100  Britt at Wed, 24 Mar 2010 22:51:15 +0000 in reply to jsid-1269440856-856

Yeah, the Irish showed up and soaked up Lee's bullets so US Grant could burn down my hometown, and built the railroads, and joined the police forces. They had to work, had to build themselves up, because sitting and collecting a check from the government was not an option. Ditto every other wave of immigration into America. They came to work. Which is true for a good portion of Mexicans too, make no mistake about it. The problem is that there is also a good portion of Mexicans who come here to live off the dole, use the public schools, etc. Not to mention the increase in criminal activity.Most importantly, there is no way to tell how it breaks down: are the stalwart huddled masses looking for freedom and the American dream the majority, or are the peasants seeking the magic free money from the gringos the majority? Or rather, because this is what's really relevant: will this flood of immigrants be a net gain or a net drain on the creaking collapsing mess of the entitlement bubble.

Here's what we should be doing: importing every single professional we can into this country. Engineers, doctors, technicians, people who will pay more then they take out of the public fisc. Instead we're letting an incredibly large number of people who will be at best an even break and at worse an unbearable burden to finances. Send me Indian doctors, send me Chinese engineers, send me all the Mexican entrepreneurs you want. Send me German mechanics and Russian pilots and Nigerian electricians.

The problem is the Dems and the ag businesses and construction people don't want that. The Dems want voters that be easily brought into the web of dependency and the business groups lobbying want labor that they can pay lower then the minimum wage.

You never did address the most important point: Are we more or less likely to pull the needles back toward liberty with 30 million new loyal Democratic voters? If Texas and Arizona become blue states, if the solid south becomes purple, do you think there is even a remote chance of turning the GOP into a voice for liberty?

jsid-1269445178-718  Unix-Jedi at Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:39:38 +0000

and are conservatives talking about doing anything about THAT? No,

That's unfair, and yes, there are attempts.

But there's also the political reality that any attempt to do something about that ends up with massive media intervention, namecalling, and -ism flinging.  I disagree that they should bow to that - but I understand why there's reluctance to attempt it.

instead they wail hysterically about more non-white people coming to the country.  

That's so ridiculous that I had to comment.  The issue isn't about race - and just as I noted above, it's the -ism's that are used, like you just did, rather than facts, logic, or argument.

And as I said, we shouldn't stand for it.

So I'm not standing for your bogus, bullshit racism accusation.  

I'm sure you can find some individual who's complained about illegal immigrants being non-white.
But that's not the general gist of the concern.  Nor is it beyond the pale to note that we do have a welfare state, and we do immediately place illegal aliens on it, and we pick up the tab for educating their children - and almost every attempt to limit that has been defeated.

Almost everyone I can point to isn't worried about the race of the immigrants - they're pissed that one "race" is allowed to cheat on the rules, blatantly, and no one else is.  Enforce the _current laws_ and make everybody jump through the same hoops, and most of the objections go away.  But it's denial of reality to not note that the entire legal apparatus is aware of massive illegal immigration from several countries south of the border, and turns a blind eye to it.

That's not "wailing hysterically", but it is hysterial to conflate the real issues with a bullshit call of racism.

If all I wanted was to live on the dole, well, I'd look at moving to England.  

Amazingly, many people can't easily get to England to live on the dole. Especially when they're easily able to enter the US.

And I don't begrudge those with families - most of Central and South America sucks.  Come to America. Make more money. Get your kids in a good school, free. (Not available in Mexico.)

I understand it.  And yes, reforming the welfare entitlement fixes a lot of the issues I have - not all of them, but a lot of them.

Funny thing, you get called a racist when you mention it. Or talk about the realities of the current situation.

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