JS-Kit/Echo comments for article at http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2009/11/wait-what-redux.html (11 comments)

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jsid-1259010470-616647  Matt at Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:07:50 +0000

What ship channels in the Arctic? They predicted that the Northwest Passage would be ice-free this year. It wasn't. Normal Arctic sea ice in summer. It was supposedly ice free in 2007. One instance in the 37 years using satellite photos to monitor does not make a trend.

Out and out lying. In fact, the 2007 "ice free" event was based on assumptions of the waters being navigable based on pictures, not actual passage observation. According to a similar "ice free" proclamation in 2008, "navigable" has wide latitude as an icebreaker couldn't make the entire trip according to those who went there then.

Which is it indeed.

jsid-1259012226-616650  John Pate at Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:37:06 +0000

This is, I take it, faux surprise on your part Kevin given it's so boringly predictable...

"All this was inspired by the principle--which is quite true in itself--that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation."

jsid-1259013125-616653  Markadelphia at Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:52:05 +0000

And now there is this as well....


jsid-1259015872-616659  Kevin Baker at Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:37:52 +0000

I wonder how they feel about that report now?

jsid-1259060744-616685  Grumpy Student at Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:05:44 +0000

It's actually easy to explain.

According to "unimpeachable" climate science, carbon dioxide drives global warming.

We know from the data that carbon dioxide *trails* temperature. NEVER MIND THAT THIS VIOLATES CAUSALITY!

Therefore, *future* carbon dioxide causes global warming *now*.

Therefore, a plateau in temperature means that at some point in the future, the people of Earth decide to decrease carbon dioxide emissions drastically and that of course stops global warming now.

It's obvious when you think about it.

(I may not be being entirely serious!)

jsid-1259067657-616687  Kevin Baker at Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:00:57 +0000

That's brilliant!

jsid-1259068924-616688  Ken at Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:22:04 +0000

The Higgs boson strikes again.

jsid-1259079746-616692  Russell at Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:22:26 +0000

Grumpy Student,

You may be on to something there, but I have a different theory. Because Obama talked about talking about Global Warming, Mother Gaia rewarded him with cooling!

From the Herald Sun:

"Even alarmist Tim Flannery, confronted on Lateline with the emails of the global warming conspiracy, concedes holes in the “science is settled” argument and admits to what he didn’t before:

'We’re dealing with an incomplete understanding of the way the earth system works… When we come to the last few years when we haven’t seen a continuation of that (warming) trend we don’t understand all of the factors that create earth’s climate...We just don’t understand the way the whole system works… See, these people work with models, computer modelling. So when the computer modelling and the real world data disagree you’ve got a very interesting problem… Sure for the last 10 years we’ve gone through a slight cooling trend.'

And on these now-admitted uncertainties we must scrap all coal-fired generators, impose massive new taxes, shut entire industries, hand billions to the UN and change the way we live? "

When reality goes in the opposite direction that your theory predicted, it's time to dump reality and wish really hard for fairies and unicorns!

jsid-1259080673-616694  Grumpy Student at Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:37:53 +0000

But surely that confirms my theory about future events affecting presnet global warming - I mean, Obama has only been president for less than a year, and we've had about ten years of cooling! If we understood time correctly, we could have predicted Obama's election based on the cooling trend.

I think I may need to drink less coffee!

jsid-1259080725-616695  Ken at Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:38:45 +0000

It is the same sort of thinking that gave us the so-called precautionary principle, aka "Never do anything for the first time."

jsid-1259096730-616715  Pandora at Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:05:30 +0000

The "pushback" is Pinocchio whittling away at his nose as fast as his little knife will go.

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