You're somewhat confused. The 5.7 doesn't shoot *through* tanks - it shoots tanks.
(Which would read a lot better if I could figure out how to resolve the linguistic ambiguity of suggesting, by slight turn of phrase, that it uses tanks *as* ammunition)
Don't forget LAPD Dept. Chief Michel Moore who said the 5.7 was the "weapon of choice" for big game hunters.
Story at: http://www.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_12060413
The gang bangers that I have had contact with (a thankfully fairly small number) all seem to want a glock. I'm not sure any of them would even know what an FN Five seveN IS. The 5.7mm just caught the eye of the antis because it was initially touted as capable of armor piercing.
Oooohhh... scary!!!
The funny truth about armor piercing is, other than the really tiny stuff, there isn't a round that couldn't be made in such a mannor as to be able to defeat the soft body armor that most cops use. It's just illegal, and not really worth the effort so nobody bothers (or rarely bothers). People seem to think that because a bullet armor piercing it would be more devistating on un-armored persons. That is just not the case. An armor piercing bullet needs to be more stable and can't be an expanding type like a hollow point so it usually doesn't upset when it hits, instead it just punches a very small hole strait through. Where a non-armor piercing round will upset, expand, and usually cause a much larger perminant wound channel which is what really kills ya.
So a firearm that was introduced in 1998 and not generally available to civilians before 2004 was responsible for the majority of officers shot between 1994 and 2003.
...
Seems perfectly reasonable to me, don't see a thing wrong with that reasoning.
It causes horns to grow out of your head, your skin to turn bright red, and your trigger finger to start twitching uncontrollably!
It kills bunnies and hope just by existing.
Or as George Carlin said it, "Those are the ones that will curve your spine, grow hair on your hands, and maybe even bring us, God help us, peace without honor."
My cousin's hubby and daughter both carry FN 5-7s. I don't think that they have gone on any murderous rampages.
I think the reason that folks died is second/third shots. Hasan (hack!spit!) was shooting people who were down. He got shot when he chased a wounded person out of the building to "finish him off".
It is clear to me that shot placement, easy when you victim is down and relatively helpless, was essential for the shooter.
His care in taking followup shots indicates he really wanted dead people as a result of his actions.
I hope he rots in SuperMax and I hope his that prayer rug gives him repeated rug burns and is infested with fleas, lice and bedbugs.
The FN 5.7 has more press than a little pellet-shooter deserves. The AR-15 can shoot bullets twice as heavy much faster, and many of them are civilian-legal (and cheeep!) AP types.
Stargate SG-1 off-world teams used FN Five-Seven carbines (presumably firing the "effective" civilian-unavailable AP bullets) with 50-round top-loading magazines. Oops, not the real world-- there is no "Star Gate" or SG-1/2/3 teams going off-world all the time to gather technology and meet aliens. A decade of fun shows, though.
Some idiot thinks that an AR-15 in 5.7mm would be a good idea-AR-57-dot-com---BzzzzzzZZZ--WronG. An AR-15 PISTOL in .223 makes more sense and sells pretty well at gun shows.
If the Islamic Manchurian Candidate Major was at all trained on sidearms, he would have been packing at least a 9x19mm or a .45ACP. As a shrink, and a brainwashed follower of fantasy, he chooses a really-cool-looking weapon suitable for plinking squirrels. Be careful, a .22 is not a toy, someone could get hurt.
Politicians would lie OPENLY? Issue pimps (Gun Control, Inc. ne "Brady Campaign") would distort facts and plain LIE to a camera? Oh, the horror!
They will get theirs, slowly, without drinks or meals.
Brown's entire press conference was a pack of lies. Back when it was first reported, I wrote to the editor of News1 who reported on it, and refuted every single one of Brown's assertions.
Here's the full account, with the editor's reply included.
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How do you pronounce "Gquan"?
Just like it's spelled.
*snort* I kill me sometimes.
Who cares about truth when telling the truth will keep you from getting those piles of Joyce Foundation money?
I heard the 5.7 can shoot through tanks.
"I heard the 5.7 can shoot through tanks."
You're somewhat confused. The 5.7 doesn't shoot *through* tanks - it shoots tanks.
(Which would read a lot better if I could figure out how to resolve the linguistic ambiguity of suggesting, by slight turn of phrase, that it uses tanks *as* ammunition)
Don't forget LAPD Dept. Chief Michel Moore who said the 5.7 was the "weapon of choice" for big game hunters.
Story at: http://www.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_12060413
The gang bangers that I have had contact with (a thankfully fairly small number) all seem to want a glock. I'm not sure any of them would even know what an FN Five seveN IS. The 5.7mm just caught the eye of the antis because it was initially touted as capable of armor piercing.
Oooohhh... scary!!!
The funny truth about armor piercing is, other than the really tiny stuff, there isn't a round that couldn't be made in such a mannor as to be able to defeat the soft body armor that most cops use. It's just illegal, and not really worth the effort so nobody bothers (or rarely bothers). People seem to think that because a bullet armor piercing it would be more devistating on un-armored persons. That is just not the case. An armor piercing bullet needs to be more stable and can't be an expanding type like a hollow point so it usually doesn't upset when it hits, instead it just punches a very small hole strait through. Where a non-armor piercing round will upset, expand, and usually cause a much larger perminant wound channel which is what really kills ya.
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Adam,
It shoots at tanks?
"It shoots at tanks?"
If I had a custard pie and was within reasonable proximity, you'd be wearing it :P
:: chuckling ::
Or about about this: "It's faster than a speeding bullet!"
err…
…wait…
It shoots through schoolhouses.
It shoots tanks through schoolhouses.
It shoots locomotives through preschools!
It causes horns to grow out of your head, your skin to turn bright red, and your trigger finger to start twitching uncontrollably!
It kills bunnies and hope just by existing.
[Apparently, it apparently works pretty well on Cylons, too. ;-) ]
D'oh!
If it's a "cop killer", does Ice-T have one?
So a firearm that was introduced in 1998 and not generally available to civilians before 2004 was responsible for the majority of officers shot between 1994 and 2003.
...
Seems perfectly reasonable to me, don't see a thing wrong with that reasoning.
Not if you get a grant from the Joyce Foundation you don't! ;)
If the FN 5.7 is a 'cop killer', by what name is Officer Munley's gun known? Heh.
(Did I get the name right, Munley?)
Armor-piercing, eh? Apparently the Brady bunch have never heard about the old Tokarev cartridge.
I hope they never do.
It shoots tanks through schoolhouses.
It causes horns to grow out of your head, your skin to turn bright red, and your trigger finger to start twitching uncontrollably!
It kills bunnies and hope just by existing.
Or as George Carlin said it, "Those are the ones that will curve your spine, grow hair on your hands, and maybe even bring us, God help us, peace without honor."
I think you mean SS190.
Yup. I hate typos. Good catch, thanks.
My cousin's hubby and daughter both carry FN 5-7s. I don't think that they have gone on any murderous rampages.
I think the reason that folks died is second/third shots. Hasan (hack!spit!) was shooting people who were down. He got shot when he chased a wounded person out of the building to "finish him off".
It is clear to me that shot placement, easy when you victim is down and relatively helpless, was essential for the shooter.
His care in taking followup shots indicates he really wanted dead people as a result of his actions.
I hope he rots in SuperMax and I hope his that prayer rug gives him repeated rug burns and is infested with fleas, lice and bedbugs.
Killing him would give him what he wants.
The FN 5.7 has more press than a little pellet-shooter deserves. The AR-15 can shoot bullets twice as heavy much faster, and many of them are civilian-legal (and cheeep!) AP types.
Stargate SG-1 off-world teams used FN Five-Seven carbines (presumably firing the "effective" civilian-unavailable AP bullets) with 50-round top-loading magazines. Oops, not the real world-- there is no "Star Gate" or SG-1/2/3 teams going off-world all the time to gather technology and meet aliens. A decade of fun shows, though.
Some idiot thinks that an AR-15 in 5.7mm would be a good idea-AR-57-dot-com---BzzzzzzZZZ--WronG. An AR-15 PISTOL in .223 makes more sense and sells pretty well at gun shows.
If the Islamic Manchurian Candidate Major was at all trained on sidearms, he would have been packing at least a 9x19mm or a .45ACP. As a shrink, and a brainwashed follower of fantasy, he chooses a really-cool-looking weapon suitable for plinking squirrels. Be careful, a .22 is not a toy, someone could get hurt.
Politicians would lie OPENLY? Issue pimps (Gun Control, Inc. ne "Brady Campaign") would distort facts and plain LIE to a camera? Oh, the horror!
They will get theirs, slowly, without drinks or meals.
Cheers.
Of the 616 police officers killed nationwide between 1994 and 2003, 425 were shot with FN 5.7s, Brown said.
My god, man, don't you realize what this means? We have time-traveling cop killers! We don't need gun control, we need time travel control!!!1!!11
Brown's entire press conference was a pack of lies. Back when it was first reported, I wrote to the editor of News1 who reported on it, and refuted every single one of Brown's assertions.
Here's the full account, with the editor's reply included.
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