JS-Kit/Echo comments for article at http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2009/10/do-it-again-only-harder-this-time.html (14 comments)

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jsid-1255385027-613487  DirtCrashr at Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:03:47 +0000

As I've mentioned elsewhere, this thing cannot stand the sunlight very long.
Also as I've mentioned elsewhere, the "Do it harder, do it again" mentality comes from a CA Legislature that is comprised of no-contest drooling idiots. Literally dominated by them. They exemplify the Cornell Study in their over-blown self-esteem and are in gerrymander-secure districts operated by the Democrat Politburo. Not much in the way of actual, demonstrated intelligence is required of them - it's all about Party Allegiance (and money). They can run virtually unopposed (except for the occasional inter-Party bloodsport cage-matches - the Democrats' next favorite thing), and what this attracts is a coterie of low-caliber Party-simple cretins, venal self-interest operators, and narcissistic identity-politic bound imbeciles. Like a certain commentor you have, all rolled into one.

The bill as badly written as it is, is already subject to Federal preemption, and there is a strategy to eviscerate it before it can even become law - and its dead carcass will be thrown on the mouth-breathing idiots. And the Media will have to obliquely report on their failure. Yay!

jsid-1255386846-613492  DirtCrashr at Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:34:06 +0000

Letting this one slide allows them to be firmly bitchslapped. Actually and in particular the bill-writer Kevin de León (Communist-L.A.), will have the corpse of a bill thrown back on him.

Maybe Arnold was thinking of that by letting it slide through. He does get the legislative briefing assessments, whether somethgin will fly or not - and this thing has the seeds of its own destruction written right into it. Arnold likes to get in on a little of the political bloodsport, I'm sure after last week he wishes there was a bill by Ammiano he could send back like that.
Merely vetoing it isn't quite enough in CA, it has to sting, and if we take their hand and firmly and repeatedly place it on the hot-plate, maybe the idiots will figure out what pain and fire, is because that seems to be the only way to make it a real "teachable moment" for those cognitively so-suffering.

jsid-1255398317-613513  mthead at Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:45:17 +0000

The best way to cure it is to lobby all the ammo manufactures. Ask them to refuse to sale ammo to ALL CA. police departments until the laws gone.
Ammo manufactures have to know if CA. can make it stick, alot of other states will follow. Bad for business.

jsid-1255403909-613520  Ed "What the" Heckman at Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:18:29 +0000

Good idea, mthead,

I wonder if Ronnie Barrett would be willing to talk to ammo manufacturers about it?

jsid-1255410243-613525  Doom at Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:04:03 +0000

Interesting, there is more than one way gun owners and manufacturers can execute war, it seems. But would they? Checks and balances are not all governmental, this is really an interesting notion.

I think they should do it to force a repeal, and then have the Supremes work it over even so. It would be tight work, but it could happen. Though maybe that is having one's cake and eating it too.

jsid-1255445857-613534  Rich at Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:57:37 +0000

I see the problem being the Ammo Manufacturers. Will they have the backbone to do it? It is sort of like the Car manufacturers - they let California dictate all sorts of stupid "eco" and safety rules by saying okay we will make a different model just for you.

They could have stopped all that garbage by saying no we will not sell in CA. Would have hurt for a bit but I do not think that long because my gut says people not being able to buy cars in CA would have put a stop to that sort of law real quick. could be wrong but I think so

jsid-1255451653-613536  DJ at Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:34:13 +0000

I can't help but wonder if a boycott of CA by ammo manufacturers would be a violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act:

"Every contract, combination in the form of trust or otherwise, or conspiracy, in restraint of trade or commerce among the several States, or with foreign nations, is declared to be illegal."

I don't claim to know if it applies, but it is interesting.

jsid-1255464491-613544  perlhaqr at Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:08:11 +0000

DJ: Funny, it doesn't seem like it'd be too hard to construe that sentence to apply to protectionist tariffs.

jsid-1255466792-613548  Stephen R at Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:46:32 +0000

perlhaqr -- Are there a lot of "protectionist tariffs" for commerce between different US states?

jsid-1255467038-613549  DirtCrashr at Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:50:38 +0000

The thing is, they are hoisted on their own petard. AB-962 Regulates The Routes and Services of Common Carriers, but Regulation of the Routes or Services of Common Carriers is Federally Preempted. Federal preemption of the routes, rates, or services of common motor carriers is found in 49 U. S. C. §14501(c)(1):

(1) General rule. Except as provided in paragraphs (2) and (3), a State, political subdivision of a State, or political authority of 2 or more States may not enact or enforce a law, regulation, or other provision having the force and effect of law related to a price, route, or service of any motor carrier (other than a carrier affiliated with a direct air carrier covered by section 41713 (b)(4)) or any motor private carrier, broker, or freight forwarder with respect to the transportation of property.
Additional Federal preemption for common carriers was enacted in the Federal Aviation Administration Authorization Act of 1994 (“FAAAA”) and was codified in 49 U.S.C. § 41713 - they're gonna get shot down.

This is a direct result of the Legislative domination by Gerrymander, where no real competence or self-reflection is required, but ego and bullying is. By winning fecklessly and without effort, with the "Everybody Get's a Gold Star (or a red one)" equivalency - they have allowed the intellectually unchallenged to become normative, to the point where self-esteem is a legitimate counterbalance to smarts. And it's not. But it is the world M- sees and aspires to.

jsid-1255489882-613579  deadcenter at Wed, 14 Oct 2009 03:11:22 +0000

I see it as a boon to ammo sales in every town on the CA border. Folks on the coast are kind of screwed though.

jsid-1255492610-613581  mthead at Wed, 14 Oct 2009 03:56:50 +0000

For the auto manufactures. Its just an aurgument about what kind of car is driven. Ca. would not be a state without autos. To much has to move to keep it alive.
Not so for ammo sales. They let this go by. The only people able to buy ammo in CA. in the near future, will be police departments. And they'll probably have to except "arnie bucks", for payment.
With ammo in short supply. It probably wouldn't even drop their stock price. Nows the time.

jsid-1255786033-613721  deMontjoie at Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:27:13 +0000

As an emigre from the SF Bay Area, I can readily see a black-market growing-up quite rapidly.

You get a buddy or two, a van or F150 pick-up. Take a leisurely drive up I-80 to Reno. Visit the toy-stores of Scheel's and/or Cabela's, and load-up on ammo.

Once back home, share the ammo with other friends who may generously offer to help-out in covering your expenses.

Government = idiots/morons/retards.

jsid-1255833177-613733  Terry at Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:32:57 +0000

Another interesting angle on this is, Kalifornia is the 12th largest market for weapons and ammo in the world. (Look it up if in doubt.)

Also, there is a healthy and quite large population of what I call "Patriots" in that state. They are quiet, but none the less exist over there in that communist environment.

As this country continues to divide and the heat continues to get turned up (no reference to global warming intended) things could get interesting.

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