JS-Kit/Echo comments for article at http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2009/10/another-80-year-old-man-with.html (22 comments)

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jsid-1256924671-614535  DJ at Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:44:31 +0000

Three shots through a door with a .25?

No more jokes about my .380 Ruger LCP, right?

jsid-1256926316-614538  Last in line at Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:11:56 +0000

This blog entry was my moment of zen.

jsid-1256927208-614542  Unix-Jedi at Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:26:48 +0000

More shockingly, it wasn't a drunk scotsman!

jsid-1256927796-614544  Stuart_the_Viking at Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:36:36 +0000

Must have been a crappy bedroom door for three .25s to go right through with enough force to do more than sting a little. Second only to exterior doors, bedroom doors should be the stoutest doors in your house. They are your most likely last line of defence if you are forced to retreat in your own home.

It all turned out fine in this case, but it could easily be the other way around the next time.


(gosh don't I sound like the arm chair quarterback today)

jsid-1256931549-614551  Wolfman at Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:39:09 +0000

I am under no misapprehensions that modern molded fiber doors would stop a 22 Rimfire, much less any centerfire bullet. My biggest concern if I ever deploy a firearm defensively is OVER penetration. Does anybody make reinforced interior doors? For anything other than government buildings?

jsid-1256933782-614553  DC at Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:16:22 +0000

You can find surplus solid-wood doors at any used building material yard. A 2" thick laminated door still won't stop a truly energetic bullet (e.g. 44 mag), but is way better than the cheap hollow-core doors you get at Home Depot.
Don't forget good solid latch hardware, or it'll just get kicked open, too.

Impressive (lucky?) shooting with a .25 though -- the gene pool is a bit cleaner for it...

jsid-1256935085-614557  Thibodeaux at Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:38:05 +0000

At first glance, I thought it said the guy's name was "Hathcock." So of course he'd be deadly.

jsid-1256935114-614558  Sarah at Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:38:34 +0000

Three blind shots and they all landed on the target? Wow.

jsid-1256935909-614561  Diogenes at Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:51:49 +0000

Like Tam says about the .22 as a defensive weapon. Everybody laughs about it but she hasn't found anyone willing to try and catch one yet.

The .25 may not be my first choice but that is a personal choice and circumstantial. It may have been all he could handle(and did a fine job of it apparently) or all he could afford(and the investment payed dividends!)
Nuff said.

jsid-1256938740-614568  Rivrdog at Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:39:00 +0000

In my early patrol days I carred a Budischowski .25ACP backup. The "Little Buddy" was a half-size Walther PPK.

I had all sorts of derision, but the little pistol was safe, carried 6+1, never misfired (I actually had to qualify annually with it!).

Eventually, I went with a bobbed S&W Mdl 60, which was also reliable, and punched harder. I put an elastic loop inside of my prowl jacket pocket to hold it.

BTW, if you're a stat freak, the .25ACP and the .22 Short Hi-speed are about the same in power, just under 100 #/ft of muzzle energy.

Don't have either one of them anymore, waaah!

jsid-1256942728-614574  Rob at Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:45:28 +0000

And here I thought it was about muzzle rise. B-)

jsid-1256944633-614576  Billy Budd at Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:17:13 +0000

Remember the old adage:

Never bring a BB gun to a .25 fight....

jsid-1256965154-614591  Jason at Sat, 31 Oct 2009 04:59:14 +0000

If any of these folks were truly serious about keeping guns out of the hands of criminals, you'd think that they wouldn't print the full address of the victim in these cases. Now every semi-literate dirtbag in town knows where to find another pistol.

jsid-1256968849-614592  Will at Sat, 31 Oct 2009 06:00:49 +0000

would you go after an 80yr old with x-ray vision and a lethal .25? Hmmm, wait a min...isn't Superman about 80?

jsid-1257025971-614622  Kim du Toit at Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:52:51 +0000

That has to qualify for "Luckiest Three Shots Ever Fired" -- two torso, one head shot, through a bedroom door?

jsid-1257026104-614623  Kim du Toit at Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:55:04 +0000

By the way: a .22 Mag, .25 ACP and .32 ACP will all go through a standard hollow interior door like it wasn't there, 100% of the time. A .22 LR, about 95% of the time.

Personally tested and verified.

jsid-1257032231-614624  Phil B at Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:37:11 +0000

Or you could try psychological persuasion - take a look at this blog


for Sunday November 1st under "A good neighbor".

Rule No. 1 to avoid trouble - don't be there when it kicks off....

jsid-1257062207-614637  Doom at Sun, 01 Nov 2009 07:56:47 +0000

I may be a simpleton, really. But I'll admit this anyway.

This act by an old man in a bad situation makes me simply feel better. If he can resist oppression and real danger, and win, there is a chance we can as well, in the bigger picture.

Hope springs eternal, even from Blessed old men, with .25's even. I suppose no one really wants to do what it will take. But like him, we simply don't have a choice.

jsid-1257087054-614644  Firehand at Sun, 01 Nov 2009 14:50:54 +0000

To repeat the obvious: ANY gun in hand in time of trouble beats something big and amazing that's not there.

jsid-1257097470-614655  J.S.Bridges at Sun, 01 Nov 2009 17:44:30 +0000

The good part: One less weapon-toting smash-and-grab burglar around.

The not-so-good part; It took three shots to do the job.

Still, "two to center-mass, one to the head" is not a bad way to go...

jsid-1257134954-614706  DAve at Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:09:14 +0000

Mozambique Drill through a door. Awsome!

jsid-1257268950-614786  DirtCrashr at Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:22:30 +0000

DAve for the win! Mozambique indeed!

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