JS-Kit/Echo comments for article at http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2009/08/edumacashun.html (42 comments)

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jsid-1249352038-609956  Unix-Jedi at Tue, 04 Aug 2009 02:13:58 +0000

Batchelor's degree

Nitpicky, but lemme guess.. you went to public school? :)

jsid-1249352959-609957  karrde at Tue, 04 Aug 2009 02:29:19 +0000




Lastly, no use of a word-processor?

jsid-1249354762-609958  Kevin Baker at Tue, 04 Aug 2009 02:59:22 +0000

U-J, you have NO sense of irony. ;)

jsid-1249355260-609959  Unix-Jedi at Tue, 04 Aug 2009 03:07:40 +0000

Hey, she got at least that much right. :)

jsid-1249359068-609960  juris_imprudent at Tue, 04 Aug 2009 04:11:08 +0000

Ah c'mon, shouldn't she have received a bitchelors degree?

jsid-1249359677-609962  Jim at Tue, 04 Aug 2009 04:21:17 +0000

She has a DUHgree.

Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

jsid-1249360713-609963  Kevin S. at Tue, 04 Aug 2009 04:38:33 +0000

Business administration, huh? If you can't even spell plain english, my confidence in your ability to administer my business would be severely lacking to say the very least. Handwritten too, so she can't blame it on typos...

jsid-1249361605-609965  GrumpyOldFart at Tue, 04 Aug 2009 04:53:25 +0000

Poor spelling, poor grammar... got her Bachelor's in April of this year and by August she has filed suit, because they haven't found her a job in four months during a recession.

I think the defendant should challenge her to produce the warranty under which she was guaranteed employment even if she sucked rocks.

jsid-1249366760-609967  amcz at Tue, 04 Aug 2009 06:19:20 +0000

All I know is that said college is a for-profit college. They don't event report SAT or ACT scores of their students. (And, on a side note, its demographics are rather slanted.) It seems to have some of its programs accredited.

...I hear there are a few for-profits that are... okay...

Should first and third person pronouns really be used in a complaint? I don't think they should be...

Better penmanship than me, though.

jsid-1249384141-609969  Albert A Rasch at Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:09:01 +0000

She can't even spell... She should be suing over a lousy education. Or maybe sue her parents for not whipping her more often for poor grades.

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jsid-1249386004-609970  Sean Sorrentino at Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:40:04 +0000

i think that she is suing for the wrong thing. typically these colleges advertise that people who have "X" certification can obtain employment making "Y" amount of money. what they never tell you is that the cert is basically worthless without the experience, and most IT managers who get someone out of school like this will round file their application. she should be suing for false advertisement.

jsid-1249393060-609973  pdwalker at Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:37:40 +0000

What more does it say about the sense of entitlement she has?

Can you imagine someone 40 years ago making the claim that they deserve a job and they'll sue to get it?

I keep seeing it, but I stil don't want to believe it.

jsid-1249395672-609975  DJ at Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:21:12 +0000

She wants to be rewarded for the stress caused by trying to become employed. This is entitlement mentality come home to roost.

jsid-1249395843-609976  Matt at Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:24:03 +0000

$70K for that?!? College should be laughing all the way to the bank. Only a liberal judge would let this past the initial filing. Anyone with sense with toss this out of the courtroom in gales of laughter.

U-J: I went to public school. Not quite the same thing apparently since at least in Canada they taught us how to spell!

College is merely proof that you can do what you are told, in a certain way and on a schedule. It does not confer intelligence or wisdom if you already lack those qualities. A degree is not a magic job talisman. It is the door stop that gets you in the door. Once in, it is a piece of paper and within 2-4 years, a worthless piece of paper (unless you're an engineer, lawyer, doctor, etc).

I'm not surprised by this. Not at all. Just hoping the collapse will come after I've headed for Bermuda on my boat so I can watch the resulting entertainment from afar.

jsid-1249396019-609977  theirritablearchitect at Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:26:59 +0000

"What more does it say about the sense of entitlement she has?"


And this is yet another example of why this culture is fucked, and why people just don't appreciate the idea of freedom any longer.

She's convinced herself that she's owed something from someone else, and she's going to get it by force of law, with the aid of an attorney and a tort suit.

Fuck. Makes me want to walk into the woods, never to return.

jsid-1249398646-609980  Unix-Jedi at Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:10:46 +0000

As a somewhat more serious note, other than picking on Kevin for his typo, let me point to a discussion, and my contribution to it:


He says that there's more than just the surface - and I can agree. To save some typing, my comment there:

I think you're missing the single biggest point - one that's unlikely to come out of this particular idiot's attempt. Had she asked for some more qualified help it would be far more likely.

But colleges and other schools routinely make claims and promises that would be verbal contracts anywhere else about jobs, careers, wages that are completely ludicrous.

For example, I graduated in a very highly lucrative field, where we were rarities, pursued heavily and intensely with a lot of competition.

And yet my fellow graduates received job offers that were staggeringly below the "average" promised us 4 years previous by the college. The numbers bantered around were 50-60k, first year. But almost all of my fellow students found that low to mid 30s was far more common, and the only one I knew of who received a job offer above 50k, also went to live where the COL was easily 2x that of the rest of the class. There's nothing wrong with the offers we received, they were well above all the other job offers people were getting, but it was eye-opening to find that the average wasn't anywhere near what we'd been promised.

That's her best argument, rivaled only by the fact that after 4 years, she wasn't trained and educated well enough to make it.
Think of her as a bad case to make precedent with, and realize that there is actually some substance to her claim and complaint. Higher Ed as it's currently constituted is a form of a scam and perpetual employment machine. Every year, tuition goes up by at least 3%.

jsid-1249400975-609981  DirtCrashr at Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:49:35 +0000

There was a "College" like that out here in Silicon Valley a while back, and there still are a few. It was a technical, for-profit college, with the main apparent actual bud'ness of turning much of the student body around into its own meagerly-paid professoriat rather than the highly advertised pie-in-the-sky "$100k/yr. Animator" job or whatnot.
It went under a few years back,and they closed (and locked) the doors mid-term leaving students out in the parking lot.
Here's a very appropriate forum-thread as you will see, discussing three such colleges. They seem to fill in the cracks between a State College and Community College, gathering in some of the more ambitious/gullible High School grads: "22 thousand for 18 months?"
"Basically if they get you a 12 dollar job they have done their job."
"So far i think its easier then high school. Community college is harder and they teach same classes."
"Yea, i would of picked XXXXX if it offered bachelors because i saw so many fine girls."
I suppose this is where Markapalooza treads the boards in Education.
Just read the thread.

jsid-1249405627-609985  Matt at Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:07:07 +0000

Hey DirtCrashr, you bring up a good point. Where is Markadelphia? He should be in here defending the product of his labor. This girl is probably a shining example of his.

jsid-1249406193-609987  Adam at Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:16:33 +0000

"Where is Markadelphia?"

Currently at his own blog, trying to defend socialize medicine and still saying things like "good capitalism." I gave up - any time I put up an argument to anything he and his liberal friends said, they'd all run away and he wouldn't respond unless it as something he could broach with generalizations.

Is it bad that dealing with a single person has made me swear that if I ever have children, I will not let them so much as speak to someone in public education?

jsid-1249417687-609994  Ed "What the" Heckman at Tue, 04 Aug 2009 20:28:07 +0000

I guess it's a good thing (for Marky) that he hasn't really returned. I have some excellent clubbage waiting for him; some of it from a book filled with Al Qaeda's own words.

jsid-1249418743-609995  Adam at Tue, 04 Aug 2009 20:45:43 +0000

"I have some excellent clubbage waiting for him..."

Y'know, I used to ponder things like that. But DJ / Unix outlined Markadelphia's approach to arguments / discussion quite awhile ago, and it was something like 6 standard replies.

And he sticks to that form without the slightest, tiniest hint of deviation. Not a smidgen.

I genuinely wandered over to his blog thinking that perhaps he was just feeling overwhelmed here or that it really was a time constraint, but it's not. The part that amuses me most is that he maintains a condescending, "teacher-to-student" tone and mentality in his "discussions." The man can actually be classified according to Freudian, "you're sad today because your father didn't buy you an ice cream cone once when you were 6," armchair psychology.

Quite frankly, I gave up on him. It's fun to watch him flounder here, but when you actually sit back and realize that he's supposed to pass as a functioning human being, it's scary. My cats do stupid shit, but they don't try and rationalize it the way he does.

jsid-1249419021-609996  Ed "What the" Heckman at Tue, 04 Aug 2009 20:50:21 +0000

As for the topic at hand, I thought this bit was fascinating.

"the office of Career Advancement Information Technology Couselor [sic] did not make sure their Monroe e-recruiting clients call the graduates that recently finished college for a [sic] interview to get a job placement."

Besides the nonexistent grammar and spelling errors, she demonstrates her inability to think by suggesting that the Counselor's office should somehow be able to force prospective employers to call her. What are they supposed to do, go into the clients' offices and stick a gun in their face? Based on this girl's incoherent "writing", that's what it would take to get me to call her for any reason.

I wonder if she shares her only brain cell with this girl.

jsid-1249419882-609998  Adam at Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:04:42 +0000

"As for the topic at hand..."

Hm. I guess I could broach that one.
On one hand, this girl / woman / female-engendered-mammal is an idiot. Her description of the issue, spelling, grammar, etc all affirm that.

On the other, I do tend to agree with Unix. For what these damned things advertise, they sure as hell don't deliver. I can point out maybe 2 classes I took out of a four year degree plan that have had any impact on my career whatsoever - I can point out one more that I actually *learned* anything from.

Doing a simple projection of my salary against student loans versus alternatives, I would have been better off taking out a similar loan for a house and working at a Chuck E Cheese for the next fifteen years.

jsid-1249424106-610001  DJ at Tue, 04 Aug 2009 22:15:06 +0000

"Y'know, I used to ponder things like that. But DJ / Unix outlined Markadelphia's approach to arguments / discussion quite awhile ago, and it was something like 6 standard replies."

Yup, and it happened about ten months ago. You can find an enumeration of his standard responses beginning here. It's a classic thread.

He hasn't changed a bit, has he?

jsid-1249424331-610002  Adam at Tue, 04 Aug 2009 22:18:51 +0000

Sad. It was only four responses. And here I was thinking he at least had more options than a cheap coffee maker.

jsid-1249425353-610004  Russell at Tue, 04 Aug 2009 22:35:53 +0000

Would it be wrong to say that someone needs to fetch the coffee, even during a recession?

Yes, I think it would be wrong to say it.

jsid-1249428074-610007  Andrew at Tue, 04 Aug 2009 23:21:14 +0000

These are our future leaders, same as the current leaders, oh Lord, we're f@$%*d!!!

jsid-1249430150-610008  DJ at Tue, 04 Aug 2009 23:55:50 +0000

"It was only four responses."

Nope. It was five.

You didn't read the whole thread, did you? What a shame. You missed the best parts.

jsid-1249430814-610009  DJ at Wed, 05 Aug 2009 00:06:54 +0000


I read it again. There are six, not five, and not four.

Mea maxima culpa.

jsid-1249433497-610010  GrumpyOldFart at Wed, 05 Aug 2009 00:51:37 +0000

Not to diss DJ and U-J, but I still think LabRat's description of his "debating style" takes the prize:

"Hey look a pony!"

I'll be chuckling about that one for YEARS.

jsid-1249434624-610012  Unix-Jedi at Wed, 05 Aug 2009 01:10:24 +0000


Well, I certainly don't feel slighted coming in after LabRat.

jsid-1249434893-610014  Kevin Baker at Wed, 05 Aug 2009 01:14:53 +0000

Hell, I made that entire rant a QotD!

jsid-1249435154-610015  DJ at Wed, 05 Aug 2009 01:19:14 +0000

Yup. No contest.

jsid-1249476056-610029  Adam at Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:40:56 +0000

"You didn't read the whole thread, did you?"

Nope. I pulled a Mark there - just glanced down to the original list. It's not the first time I've referred to that post and missed out on crucial details.

Granted, I've yet to try and use a source to prove a point without reading it, only to have it turn out that the source in question actually counters my argument. Once I reach the honor of achieving THAT particular fuck-up, I may have to hide under my bed for a week or two.

jsid-1249489683-610052  GrumpyOldFart at Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:28:03 +0000

Hell, I made that entire rant a QotD!

I know. I think eventually it should end up in the left sidebar. That one has earned its immortality.

jsid-1249489795-610054  GrumpyOldFart at Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:29:55 +0000

BTW, I think maybe Marky's staying away and doing his healthcare rant over on his site so he'll get the hits.

He's figured out that me miss him after a while and will go over there just to throw tomatoes and such.

jsid-1249493141-610057  Unix-Jedi at Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:25:41 +0000


Well, I'm not that stupid. :)

Mark wants to play, he can play somewhere honest.

He just knows how badly his ill-thought out rhetoric would get shredded (mostly with His Obama's words) and so he'll sneer from afar.

He can't win this honestly, and he knows it.

jsid-1249499353-610063  DJ at Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:09:13 +0000

Perhaps he's just tired of being a whetstone.

jsid-1249501865-610068  Unix-Jedi at Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:51:05 +0000

You know what's sad... Some skater losers showed up to abuse a 4-year-old-post over at pdb's...

And the one who stuck around is a better opponent than Mark.

A Skater!

jsid-1249517869-610085  ravenshrike at Thu, 06 Aug 2009 00:17:49 +0000

The printed form has two extra commas? That sentence should read "defendant(s), such as breach of contract or negligence.]:"

jsid-1249517981-610086  ravenshrike at Thu, 06 Aug 2009 00:19:41 +0000

Oops, make that three extra commas. The one between abandonment and including is completely unnecessary

jsid-1249526638-610097  Warthog at Thu, 06 Aug 2009 02:43:58 +0000

Great Post. I blogged on this the other day and would have loved to have seen this before hand.

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