JS-Kit/Echo comments for article at http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2008/11/and-now-for-your-viewing-pleasure.html (12 comments)

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jsid-1227388362-599413  geekWithA.45 at Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:12:42 +0000

Ya know, there really is something comforting in knowing that if you need to, you can absolutely, positively, shoot every single bad guy in the xxxroomxxx, er building. :)

jsid-1227394982-599414  Kevin Baker at Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:03:02 +0000

Yes. But that's a skill that scares the pi** out of some people who believe that only authorized members of the State should possess it.

jsid-1227396249-599415  cREBralFIX at Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:24:09 +0000

"I obviously need to work on my reload speed."

No, you need to work on negotiating corners, using cover, and reloading behind something that will stop a bullet.

It looked like a hoot!

jsid-1227401626-599418  Kevin Baker at Sun, 23 Nov 2008 00:53:46 +0000

You have to remember: This was a fun-run just for time.

And the walls of the shoot house are AR500 plate steel with wood sheathing!

jsid-1227406163-599421  weambulance at Sun, 23 Nov 2008 02:09:23 +0000

I'd love to run some shoothouses with my chosen weapons, not issued ones. I'm jealous.

The only time I had a chance to do it without the possibility of someone shooting me back was in training three years ago. I got yelled at for 'firing too close' to my teammate because the shot made dust come up off his arm... he was like three feet away heading at a 45 degree angle away from me. Geez.

Just recently my unit had a few casualties at the range when they gave some new private a SAW and he lost control in the shoothouse. He shot right out the door, hit a couple guys in the legs, and another took a ricochet to the helmet. Thank God nobody died. Privates these days...

jsid-1227408285-599422  Oz at Sun, 23 Nov 2008 02:44:45 +0000

You should try setting that to "Sabotage" by the Beastie Boys.

jsid-1227410184-599427  Robb Allen at Sun, 23 Nov 2008 03:16:24 +0000

I just put mine up as well.

I didn't realize my DVD was personalized until I saw your video. I assumed it was the same video that was on DownRange.TV.

Don't know why my DVD rip cut off the credits at the end, but it's still fun to watch. My adrenaline kicks in just watching it.

I hope the other bloggers rip theirs and put them online. I like to watch others take it nice and slow ;)

jsid-1227456262-599437  DJ at Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:04:22 +0000

"I obviously need to work on my reload speed."

I need to work on my quickdraw speed.

I damned nearly got my comeuppance a few days ago and the Shoot House reminds me of it. Y'all might find it funny.

My brother and I visited my father-in-law's property early Thursday morning. Hogs found my food plot almost two weeks ago and have eaten it down to the height of the grass on a golf green. So, we were there to deter the hogs for a bit, hopefully past the opening of the regular firearms deer season, which was yesterday.

As we walked toward my tent blind overlooking the plot, we had to cross a small rise. As we came up to the rise, I looked over it and saw a herd of hogs in the plot. There were four eating sized sows and about 20 or so pigs. It was extremely windy. We were about 100 yards away, so given the tall grass, wind, and distance, they didn't see or hear us.

We dropped everything except rifles and shooting sticks, crept through the tall grass to the edge of the woods where we could just see into the plot, stood up, set up, counted down, and fired simultaneously. He missed, I didn't. Mine dropped in its tracks and his ran off to the woods on the far side of the plot. The other two big sows ran out the far end of the plot toward our left and we couldn't quite get a shot on them through the grass.

In the process, we ignored the herd of smaller ones. They ran right over us. We didn't see them because of the grass or hear them because of the wind until they were no more than fifteen feet away, coming right at us at full throttle.

I had my hands full of rifle with scope set on seven power, and on my hip was my Kimber Pro Covert II with Crimson Trace grips. All I could do was watch. Quick-draw McGraw I ain't. They kept on at full throttle, flowing around us and out of sight.

That could have been a painful lesson, but they were as startled as we were, and none was bigger than about 20 pounds.

jsid-1227471660-599451  Mark at Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:21:00 +0000

Did they not cover tactical reloads at all? I counted 2 mags you left behind with one or more rounds still in them.
Was it Blackwater policy to unload to Condition 4 after every course of fire, or was it Todd Jarret's?
You do realize that you will likely do the same thing in a real world event, now that you have been trained to do so?

jsid-1227493361-599462  Kevin Baker at Mon, 24 Nov 2008 02:22:41 +0000

Spoken like a true IDPA shooter!

Mark, we were playing a GAME.

No, they did not cover "tactical reloads." I have no idea what Blackwater's policy is concerning having a "hot" pistol in the holster. I currently compete in two steel-target "fun shoots," one where the competitors are always in Condition 4 unless prepared to shoot the course of fire immediately, and the other where we carry hot.

I do not foresee a time where I will be forced to engage mutiple attacking steel plates while wearing my competition rig complete with six magazine pouches. :) If such a scenario should occur, I will use my handgun (and possibly the single spare magazine) to fight my way to my rifle!

I appreciate the skills that IDPA and IPSC promote, but I think some people believe that they reflect "reality" far more than they do. The idea, if you have to use a handgun, is to put rounds on target as fast as you can as accurately as possible until the threat goes away. In 99% of these incidents (unless you're a police officer) you won't be reloading. Period. Tactically or otherwise.

Obviously, YMMV!

jsid-1227513054-599469  Mark at Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:50:54 +0000

Nah, I'm a Gunsite graduate, among other places, which is why I asked about tacloads. No IDPA shoots anywhere close by, and now that I'm in Japan, nowhere even remotely close to me. ;)
I was assuming what you all did was a program similar to what they do in Gunsite 5 day sleepover courses.
Roger that on fighting to your rifle, my plan is much the same.

jsid-1227656683-599508  Cowboy Blob at Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:44:43 +0000

That looked like a lot of fun... better than simunitions!

Speaking of fighting your way to your rifle, when ya gonna give ACTS a try?

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