JS-Kit/Echo comments for article at http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2008/08/30-carbine-ammo.html (11 comments)

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jsid-1218153704-595183  DirtCrashr at Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:01:44 +0000

That's close to better than you can do by re-loading, and softpoints are the carbine ammo that's effective and open up. If I had $250 I'd be all over it.

jsid-1218156224-595189  Kevin Baker at Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:43:44 +0000

Yeah. The Georgia Arms stuff is quite a bit pricier, but it is softpoint, and the price makes me look at my labor time and wonder if it's worth the effort.

The hardball stuff at 25¢ each, though...

Hardball killed a bunch of Nazis, North Koreans and Chinese, not to mention Greek communists...

jsid-1218166775-595196  Drew458 at Fri, 08 Aug 2008 03:39:35 +0000

Pats Reloading has the pulled down brass, unfired, probably primed: 500 for $49.99. And the bullets: 110gr Rem SP: 100 for $14.54

14gr H110 pushes that bullet to 2000fps. 14*500=7000 ie one pound of powder. $20 or less usually.

I'm assuming you have a press and dies and all the necessary reloading goodies already.

So you're looking at $142.69 + S&H plus your own labor to make 500 rounds (90 minutes on a progressive press). Call it $20 more than buying milsurp ball. But the softpoint stuff is useful for hunting ... it's your call.

jsid-1218202098-595205  Kevin Baker at Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:28:18 +0000


I have a Dillon 450. The caliber change kit for it is $40.95. I also do not own a .30 Carbine die set. A set of Lee dies is $32.49 from Midway. (RCBS is $68.99.)

I've found pulldown .30 Carbine brass for $60/1000. Remington 110 grain SP are $112.99/1000 from Midway. A thousand CCI #41 primers is about $29, and 4 lbs of W296 is about $70. Using 15 grains of 296 that makes 1000 rounds cost $0.24/shot not including the initial outlay of $73.44 for tools, nor my labor. This is opposed to paying Georgia Arms $0.37 per round. (I figure the freight is a push, since I'd be paying freight on the components anyway.)

Or I can pay Pat's 25¢ a round for hardball. Tough choice.

As I said,

jsid-1218209952-595209  Sailorcurt at Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:39:12 +0000

I have experience with GA stuff in general and their .30 carbine softpoint in particular and I can recommend it without hesitation. Excellent quality, very consistent, good ammo.

The hardball vs softpoint question depends on what you're planning on using it for.

If you're shooting paper or steel hardball works fine.

The first time I shot pins with my Carbine, I used FMJ. I was hitting the pins with every shot and knocking them down and rolling them around, but I wasn't getting them off the table. The hardball was just punching right through and not transferring enough energy to push them off the table. When I switched to soft point for the next pin shoot: Five shots, five pins off the table. The difference was amazing.

I'm pretty sure that energy transfer would be just as important in a self defense situation.

I try to keep a pretty good supply on hand for both. I keep my mags loaded with soft point for home defense and I keep some more of that on hand for pin shooting, but I also keep a good supply of hardball on hand for the less particular (and, therefore, less expensive) tasks of plinking and punching holes in paper.

jsid-1218214587-595216  Unix-Jedi at Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:56:27 +0000

I had a discussion about Georgia Arms last night with td.

He bought a bunch on Tam's recommendation and has been happy with it.

I've seen a lot of problems with GA rifle ammo. I've got a case of .30-06 that wasn't correctly re-sized. Forcing me to literally jump on the oprod to extract a round out of the Garand. Live round. Which didn't chamber it was so big. But stuck like hell. (And 5 more in the clip.)

Another shooter there that same day had bought some "premium .243". Three rounds out of the 20 weren't charged with powder. Luckily, the bullets weren't crimped well, and had fallen into the case to denote the bad rounds.

Pretty much my last straw came when I was looking for match-grade 7.62x51, and their booth at the gun show had a great price.

I picked up the bag, and looked - and there were no less than 5 different headstamps on the brass. On the ones pointed toward me. I didn't look hard. But I grabbed my friend the Xman and said "WTF? OMGBBQ!??!!" Different cases. For "Match" ammo. (Which cost more than the match Lake City I ended up getting. Which all had the same headstamp).

"Match" my ass.


I'll also note that at local IDPA matches, GA is almost never seen.

Draw your own conclusions - most of our shooters have to drive by their site to get to IDPA.

I'm very, very leery of GA as a result. Most locals are - and we all went there excitedly at one point.

Hate to be negative -really! I do! But be warned. Maybe they just had some quality issues that was what I saw, hey, it's possible. And, granted, all the problems I saw were with rifle ammo. I've heard of some pistol issues, but they were 2nd-hand.

But around here, GA is used for reloading components by all the "gunnies" I know.

YMMV. If you get it and it works well, I might give 'em another try.. I need to get some good, quality M-1 Carbine fodder.

jsid-1218216427-595220  Kevin Baker at Fri, 08 Aug 2008 17:27:07 +0000


One pro, one con.

Perhaps I do need to invest in the necessary tooling.

jsid-1218220749-595223  Unix-Jedi at Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:39:09 +0000

And don't forget - Cor-Bon has DPX out now in M1 Carbine.



It is on my Oh, I Shall Have It One Day List. It's near the top.

jsid-1218222739-595224  Kevin Baker at Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:12:19 +0000

Midway sells the Cor-Bon .30 M1 Carbine ammo.

$36.99 for a box of twenty.

(Carry the one...) that's $1.85 per ROUND.

Sorry, but I'm a cheap bastard. The Barnes projectiles cost $0.66 each.

Sorry. Softpoint Remingtons will have to suffice.

jsid-1218225478-595229  Sailorcurt at Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:57:58 +0000

Wow. I've never bought Georgia Arms stuff over the internet, they always have a table at the local gun shows (which I'm ALWAYS at working the VCDL table) so I've been buying their stuff regularly. .45 acp, 9x18mm, .30 carbine, .30-06...I've never had a problem with it. I wonder if they have franchises or some such and the people who work the gun shows around here just do a better job at loading quality.

No Idea...but thanks for the heads' up. If I ever start having issues with their ammo, I'll be sure to mention it.

jsid-1218225789-595230  Unix-Jedi at Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:03:09 +0000

(Carry the one...) that's $1.85 per ROUND.

Obviously you're not listening to Markadelphia if you're still able to do math. :)

They're not anything I plan on shooting a LOT of. I need about 100 rounds to verify functioning, and then, hunting/SHTF.

I've been hearing things about those rounds that are just stunning.

I might get the bullets first and handload some and see how they do, too.

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