JS-Kit/Echo comments for article at http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2008/03/you-will-never-find-more-wretched-hive.html (20 comments)

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jsid-1206077746-589704  juris_imprudent at Fri, 21 Mar 2008 05:35:46 +0000

I've lived in two shall-issue states and personally just never felt the need or desire to carry.

EXCEPT when I visited DC - which I used to do regularly when I lived in Northern Virginia. I would literally inspect my vehicle to make sure there were 4 tires and no broken glass every time I returned to where it was parked. Even in Georgetown.

One of my co-workers (and fellow gym rat) was born and raised in Harlem - and he refused to go into SE DC in the 90s. He'd say you'd have to be crazy to go there.

I suppose I should've gotten my permit just to make a liberal wet himself.

That's one reason I did! - Ed.)

jsid-1206084477-589706  one of your 16 since Feb '05 at Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:27:57 +0000

Note: I live in the People's Socialist Democracy of Great Britain. Please refrain from showing any identifying information. No, I'm not joking.

I really like the way you tackle these issues - it appeals to the (software) engineer in me. More than that, your posts are incredibly effective in getting lefties to think about guns and crime. Most profess themselves open to alternate viewpoints, so on several occasions I have pointed people at your posts – not as facts per se, but as a place to start because you always attribute your sources. One friend will now simply no longer talk about guns in any context; I’m sure that given a little more time he’ll accept that “more guns please” is the only logical step to take.

I have a few things I’d like to discuss privately – do you have a PGP key? I’m sorry to have to do this in public but I just can’t risk it any other way…

jsid-1206102793-589707  Jay.Mac at Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:33:13 +0000

A superlative post, Kevin. As always!

jsid-1206104498-589710  Kevin P. at Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:01:38 +0000

Dellinger lied before the Supreme Court about the functional firearm ban too.

These guys want us to believe that they want only reasonable gun controls in the future - when they lie about the unreasonable and draconian gun controls that they've already passed.

jsid-1206106293-589715  Turk Turon at Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:31:33 +0000

Fantastic post.
Thank you.

jsid-1206110808-589718  Kevin Baker at Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:46:48 +0000

Sorry, no, I don't have a PGP key. Any other suggestions?

jsid-1206111582-589719  Peet at Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:59:42 +0000


Did you really mean: "example of right-wing language manipulation"?

I often mis-read stuff, but that feels like it ought to be "left-wing"



jsid-1206112952-589721  TOM at Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:22:32 +0000

Do you have a link to Fenty's post- argument briefing to reporters. I can't find the full text or video anywhere.

When it was playing live, I was only half listening but I am convinced that he said something to the effect of "the murder rate in DC has gone down every year that the gun ban has been in effect"

perhaps I "misheard" this, the biggest of all lies, but I can't track it down for verification.

jsid-1206113495-589722  TOM at Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:31:35 +0000

oh, here it is,

"Make no mistake about it, this is a public safety case," Fenty said. "The reason the city council enacted the gun ban in the 1970s because crime was getting out of control and guns were the cause of a disproportionate number of fatalities. When the gun ban became law, violent crime dropped significantly in the city and has steadily gone down since then."

I guess I even missed it in your lead paragraph.......

jsid-1206113706-589723  rocinante at Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:35:06 +0000

So when does Gura get to point out that Dellinger, uh, *misrepresented* the law about long gun storage? Or is that sort of thing simply *not done* in oral argument before SCOTUS? (I can see how it might be impolitic to point out that *Justice Souter* misrepresented the law....)

DC has been a pimple on the ass of this nation as long as I have been alive and the parade of incompetents and ciphers that constitute its' elected officials attests to this.

The one guy I knew who grew up there said, "The only people who move TO DC are government employees, gov't contract employees and elected officials. Anyone born poor or working class in DC who 'makes it' GETS OUT. True, white people flee to Virginia and black people go to Maryland, but they all get out."

I agree that the current structure of DC's government is unjust, but the solution isn't statehood (Can you say "Senator Jackson", "Senator Sharpton" and "Congressman Farrakhan"?) but returning the District (except for the Federal buildings) to the states from which it was carved. (VA and MD probably don't want those parts back, though...)

jsid-1206113896-589724  Kevin Baker at Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:38:16 +0000


That was a shot at another commenter who believes that the Left doesn't manipulate language, only the Right does. Or at least only the Right does it purposefully and effectively.

jsid-1206118780-589725  Matt at Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:59:40 +0000

"returning the District (except for the Federal buildings) to the states from which it was carved. (VA and MD probably don't want those parts back, though...)"

I believe VA reclaimed the land it donating when it declared its Independence in the War of Southern Independence.

But I'm very interested in seeing how the Justices rule on this. Hopefully they will declared an individual right, and strike down the ban. But what is up in the air is how much "reasonable" regulation is allowed. That is the key. We'll see. Anybody know how long it will take to release the opinion.

jsid-1206120028-589726  Kevin Baker at Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:20:28 +0000

The ruling is due some time in June.

jsid-1206126268-589729  Aaron Pollock at Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:04:28 +0000

I believe VA reclaimed the land it donating when it declared its Independence in the War of Southern Independence.

Before that. The southern part was retroceded to Virginia in 1847.

Of course the real reason Maryland doesn't want DC back is because that many people would instantly become the center of political power in the state, eclipsing Baltimore.

jsid-1206138883-589735  Roland the Headless Thompson G at Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:34:43 +0000

If Cathy Lanier were dropped on N.Y. Ave., S.E. D.C. at 11:00 AM., WITH a sidearm, she would be robbed, raped, beaten, and dead by noon. AND SHE KNOWS IT.

jsid-1206145412-589741  Mike at Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:23:32 +0000

I think we will at least get an individual rights ruling. I fervently hope so. What the other side desperately needs to realize is that they are not going to succeed at getting rid of firearms. There are far too many of us who will not allow them to be taken. Please do not attempt it. We don't want to go there.

jsid-1206145591-589742  Mike at Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:26:31 +0000

No, I'm not wearing tinfoil hiding under the bed for fear of the confiscation squads. I mean the incremental wearing away of the right with their ultimate goal of total elimination. Not. Going. To. Happen. We've allowed about as much as we're going to.

jsid-1206213646-589770  geekWithA.45 at Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:20:46 +0000

Aww, but Kev! Don'tcha see he's just trying to bring forth some good? Don'tcha think we oughta give them a pass on all these things, in deference for the good they're trying to bring about?

And how do you like my new lobotomy? ;)

jsid-1206331400-589796  Nate at Mon, 24 Mar 2008 04:03:20 +0000

I heard Dellenger say on NPR that 85% of robberies and 100% of the rapes in DC were accomplished with firearms and that's why handguns needed to be banned. That he could say that with a straight face and with no regard for those victim's right to protect themselves just about caused me to strangle my truck radio.

Thanks for the great work Kevin.

jsid-1206645128-589924  j-man at Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:12:08 +0000

One of the biggest problems is that liberal media attracts liberal reporters and all of these people think alike in the office when they are writing their story. The problem is that none of the liberal reporters ever know the facts and buy into what these people are saying, who is asking the questions, or why aren't they. Just imagine if someone at the press conference and asked the questions Kevin did, or knew the statistics to question what was said, Now that would be a reporter!! Why do you have to pass on the statements instead of challenge the statistics and do some investigative reporting of your own (retorical question I know, based on my first statement). But man, what a way to make a name for yourself.

You know, the only time I have ever seen someone shot was in DC in 1994 near George Washington University, 21st and Eye Street if I am not mistaken. Shortly thereafter was when I purchased my first handgun.

Comments by Fenty can go by the wayside, this has been the argument of opposition from every state that has enacted a right to carry law. I just hope SCOTUS rules the way that a majority of Americans see it.

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