JS-Kit/Echo comments for article at http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2008/03/presented-without-commentary.html (16 comments)

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jsid-1205712271-589492  Markadelphia at Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:04:31 +0000

Anyone curious about what Jonah Goldberg thinks about Barack Obama?

jsid-1205713841-589496  Kevin Baker at Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:30:41 +0000

Gotta link?

Happy birthday, BTW.

jsid-1205719794-589498  Unix-Jedi at Mon, 17 Mar 2008 02:09:54 +0000

(delurking for a quick bit - swamped, no, don't want to talk about it...)

No, Mark, I'm not.

jsid-1205723931-589503  geekWithA.45 at Mon, 17 Mar 2008 03:18:51 +0000

Oddly, so there I was, thinking my very own various degrees of thoughts, critical and otherwise, under my very own power, when Markadelphia reminded me that I had not checked in with one of my Thought Leaders, to Tell Me What To Think.

At that point, all critical processing stopped, for clearly any thought I might have on my own would not be proper without the imprimatur of Jonah Goldberg, Carl Rove, or any of the other authorized Thinkers.

Concurrent with that were various physiological changes. The angle of the slope of my forehead changed, a significant portion of my prefrontal cortex was replaced by bone, my posture slouched, my arms lengthened until my knuckles dragged on the carpet, and I gave in to the desire to pick my nose.

(And yes, I'm getting a kick out of this, and will continue to do so for as long as it continues to amuse me)

jsid-1205731905-589507  Ed "What the" Heckman at Mon, 17 Mar 2008 05:31:45 +0000

I did look up what Jonah Goldberg thinks of the things Barack Obama has been saying. I'm familiar enough with the history of fascism, at least in Germany, to know that he is not misstating how fascism works. His comparison of historical fascism with Obama's call for unity is scary.

Of course, I fully expect Markadelphia to attempt to deny the accuracy of the comparison, starting with claiming that merely because Mr. Goldberg said it, then it must be false. So I'll preempt that pathetically weak response with a simple link: Genetic Fallacy

jsid-1205764306-589512  Unix-Jedi at Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:31:46 +0000

Speaking of NOPE:


The underlying problem is not the hatred expressed by Obama's minister. It is Obama.
Whether it is Obama on NAFTA, Obama on his house, Obama on Chicago hospital influence that seems to get his wife a $100K job and then a 200k raise, Obama on his minister, or Obama on unspecified, chameleon-like change in his stump speech.
The warning signs are clear. There is nothing there to trust.

jsid-1205765422-589513  Markadelphia at Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:50:22 +0000

Well, I'm sure he did say those things about Obama. But he also said this on Bill Maher a few weeks back...


The line about Hillary is priceless!! The whole segment is actually quite interesting.

"I had not checked in with one of my Thought Leaders, to Tell Me What To Think."

...well, since Orwell has come up lately...


Anyone seen it? Part of me thinks that Goldberg's main theories are just sour grapes because the left accused the right of the same thing 4 years ago.

jsid-1205776005-589527  Markadelphia at Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:46:45 +0000

Unix, have you read his books yet?

jsid-1205778985-589529  Mastiff at Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:36:25 +0000

Orwell's, you mean?

If you have read only his books, you are missing out. The real meat of Orwell is in his essays. "Politics and the English Language" is a classic, of course, but you in particular should read "Notes on Nationalism".

jsid-1205783132-589532  Markadelphia at Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:45:32 +0000

Actually I meant Obama's books...wondering if Unix has read them.

I have read both of those Orwell's...long time ago. Perhaps it is time for a review since I just watched the film Orwell Rolls in His Grave...

jsid-1205783209-589533  Russell at Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:46:49 +0000

Remember, kiddies, lots of research == sour grapes!

And that is double plus ungood!

jsid-1205792325-589544  Phelps at Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:18:45 +0000

Actually, Goldberg's overall theme was, "we're all fascists now" (at least in the politico world.)

jsid-1205794870-589549  DirtCrashr at Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:01:10 +0000

It's just the standard platform rhetoric of Identity Politics - you could hear it anywhere in my neighborhood in the most progressively Leftist Churches.
It's a mistake to think that Christianity is simply a thing of the Right, unless you're a confirmed atheist or agnostic and totally oblivious and unaware of the Activist Christian Left and Liberation Theology. Evangelicalism is not the only religious force or the most powerful one, just the one most evidently important to Republican votes and most easily demonized by the Media and the Left.
The Media make little mention of the Left's Christian Soldiers (Cadre more like), even when Bill Clinton attends Church it's glossed over as a trifle, or when "During Prayers" a Cleric of some kind goes off on an "Evil Administration American Hating Screed" (with which they fundamentally agree) - except now they kinda have-to - and they are so obviously uncomfortable, un-schooled, and unfamilair with Religion beyond a really superficial caricature (Invisible Friend In The Sky) - even their own deeply fundamental worship of Socialism-The-Answer-to-Religion (Invisible Che in the Future Sky), that they fumble the ball terribly.
Oh well, they're amateurs at Faith.

jsid-1205865237-589595  Unix-Jedi at Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:33:57 +0000

No, Mark, I've not read Obama's books.

My argument(s) doesn't rely on them.

I have, however, read Orwell.

And I've read a fair bit of Obama's public writings.

Common thread there: You'd be hard pressed to tell Major or Napoleon's speeches from Obama's.

jsid-1205938104-589632  Pasha at Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:48:24 +0000

Here's the one aspect of the story that most seem to be missing.

Obama is an educated man. He understands the core tenants of Black Liberation Theology and HAS CHOSEN to practice it for over 21 YEARS as his personal faith (as has his wife) and adopt it for his children.

Yes, the main story is the 'FAITH' he has CHOSEN.

The Larger story centers on the 'faith' and what the core tenets of that faith are, not merely one of many messengers----Reverend Wright.

The "black liberation" theologians James Cone and Dwight Hopkins pioneered the religion that Obama's church espouses, and which Rev. Wright both adheres to and preaches.

Some of the main points of this 'Cult Theology':

Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love. [1]

In the black liberation theology taught by Wright, Cone and Hopkins, Jesus Christ is not for all men, but only for the oppressed:

In the New Testament, Jesus is not for all, but for the oppressed, the poor and unwanted of society, and against oppressors ... Either God is for black people in their fight for liberation and against the white oppressors, or he is not [Cone].

1. See William R Jones, "Divine Racism: The Unacknowledged Threshold Issue for Black Theology", in African-American Religious Thought: An Anthology, ed Cornel West and Eddie Glaube (Westminster John Knox Press).

There are some serious issues to be addressed about WHY Obama chose to join this cult---the main message of which appears to be hatred. He's in it now, and has been immersed in this core doctrine for over 20 years.

jsid-1205975572-589660  dave drake at Thu, 20 Mar 2008 01:12:52 +0000

a picture is worht 1,000 words. In this case, make it 100,000 words.

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