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jsid-1201032806-586763  Unix-Jedi at Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:13:26 +0000


jsid-1201034975-586764  Markadelphia at Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:49:35 +0000

Well, it certainly appears that we are headed towards another Clinton presidency. I am going to be writing on my blog about the American Monarchy and how no one else but me seems to be bothered by having the same two families running our country.

Hillary supporters are quickly becoming as nauseating to me as Bushies. They want payback for the last eight years, something we really don't have time for, and they hold the mistaken belief that Hillary is going to be different than Bush, which is so far from the truth it's laughable.

jsid-1201035292-586766  Rob at Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:54:52 +0000

Yeah, the write-in Fred deal seems like the only thing even close to an option.


The party did not learn in 2006.

We shall see how many of us sit on their hands.

Fred was the first candidate (or any political move) that has gotten cash from me. We can all see how well that worked out.

jsid-1201035530-586767  Dennis at Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:58:50 +0000

The major problem with any Dem getting in is that we can kiss our guns goodbye!

jsid-1201036092-586768  geekWithA.45 at Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:08:12 +0000

Yeah, I'm considering the "hasten the apocalypse" strategy myself, and voting for Her Vileness.

My one fear is that if the apocalypse should happen in my lifetime, I'll be too old to enjoy it properly.


jsid-1201036355-586769  Kevin Baker at Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:12:35 +0000

My one fear is that if the apocalypse should happen in my lifetime, I'll be too old to enjoy it properly.

Not with a bang, Geek, but with a whimper. Just like England.

jsid-1201036455-586770  Russell at Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:14:15 +0000


Well, sure looks like he'll be a write-in for me.

jsid-1201036696-586771  randy at Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:18:16 +0000

To Do:

1. Register as a Dummycrap so I can
vote against Hillary in the primary

2. Buy a gasmask for voting against Hillary in the general election because holding my nose ain't going to be enough

3. Drink heavily on election and inauguration days and hope it was all an hallucination when I sober up.

jsid-1201037387-586772  Paul W at Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:29:47 +0000

I'm extremely disappointed. Damn, I didn't even get to vote for my guy in the primaries. F'ing media, they build people up just to tear them down.

I'll probably vote Romney, on the theory that he's the least bad of the 4 remaining, and that all of them are less awful than anyone with a "D" after their name.

Face it, someone is going to take the oath of office next January. I'd rather not have it be Her Evilness or the empty Socialist suit from IL. Any of the R's will nominate better Justices than these 2 buttheads.

I ain't happy. I still can't believe that a nation of 300 million is reduced to these sad and very wanting choices for leadership. I mourn for this nation.

jsid-1201037417-586773  Kevin Baker at Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:30:17 +0000


Some time back I believe Larry Elder commented on the Republican/Democrat divide.

I think his assessment was "A dime's worth of difference."

jsid-1201038239-586774  Kevin Baker at Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:43:59 +0000

Paul, I changed my registration so I could vote FOR Fred in the primary. Now I wish I'd left it as Dem and voted against Hillary as previously planned.

jsid-1201038642-586776  Guest (anonymous) at Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:50:42 +0000

Makes ya wonder why R. Paul doesn't even merit mentioning?

Ya, I know, the war... but you might want to have a republic worth saving before throwing lives away. Yes, the fight is worthless when the nation remains in full rot mode, (plummeting the way of the UK).

jsid-1201039203-586778  Kevin Baker at Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:00:03 +0000

Anon, as I've mentioned before, Ron Paul's foreign policy isn't. It's not just the war. And I don't characterize either Afghanistan or Iraq as "throwing lives away" and neither do the troops who are there doing the dying.

You might want to wonder why that is.

So no, he doesn't merit mentioning.

jsid-1201040724-586780  eeky at Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:25:24 +0000

Well, Kang may be gone, but there's still Kodos.

jsid-1201040780-586781  Kresh at Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:26:20 +0000

"Makes ya wonder why R. Paul doesn't even merit mentioning?"

'cause he's batshit crazy? *rimshot*

Yup, Fred is gone, and so is a bright glimmer of hope. We're down to a faint glimmer of hope and we all know those new-fangled CFC lights take bloody forever to throw off decent light. So, not a lot of confidence here.

Maybe I will vote for a Democrat, merely because it looks like that's all we're going to be able to vote for anyways. How... exciting.

Who knew that creeping socialism and statism would be so... dissapointing. Well, the wheels coming off might be fun, but I'll be retired by then, so it won't be that much fun to watch. It's rough to enjoy the fall of civilization when it hurts to run. Still, needing a walker means you always have a shooting bench with you!

Then again, shooting the kids off my lawn might make up for all those years of being persecuted for daring to yell at the little buggers and injuring their self-esteem. /eyeroll

jsid-1201041088-586784  Kevin Baker at Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:31:28 +0000

It's rough to enjoy the fall of civilization when it hurts to run. Still, needing a walker means you always have a shooting bench with you!

You win "Quote of the Day"! Look for it later tonight.

jsid-1201042254-586785  Markadelphia at Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:50:54 +0000


I like Larry Elder. I don't always agree with him but we really need more people like him around.

jsid-1201042746-586786  Dennis at Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:59:06 +0000

Kresh, Don't vote Democrat, they will take your walker away from you so you can't shoot!

jsid-1201043225-586787  Matt at Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:07:05 +0000

Not really surprising. His campaign has been sagging and never really picked up steam.

So who's left?

Romney- flips more often then flip flops. You don't know what you are getting with him. He is all about power and himself. A scary candidate.

McCain- "Maverick" aka a Republican in Name Only. Really about power as well, voted for the Incumbent Protection Act (aka campaign finance), and wanted amnesty. Not really a conservative. Yeah, he'll fight the war abroad, but will allow the fight at home to end in socialism

Guillani- Another power to me guy, not conservative at all, probably the most liberal of the bunch. He'll gladly bring socialism here, and of course fight a bit abroad.

Huckabee- Will enslave all of us with his morality, big global warming supporter, likes to use the government to solve issues. Maybe just a tad less liberal than Guillani

Paul- Really the best candidate of the bunch, has a cohesive foreign and domestic policy that makes sense, will fight to uphold the Constitution completely. Yeah, for the pro-war folks he holds opposite views, but what is more important- fighting a war abroad while the country devolves into socialism, or have a true anti socialist that will put all of his efforts here at home. Yeah, it could be argued that either way the country is screwed, but we have a better chance of fighting socialism here than terrorism abroad.

Really, Paul is the only choice, pro-war or not. Any other vote is a vote for socialism.

jsid-1201043671-586788  LabRat at Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:14:31 +0000

I'm going to make like comedians in the Carter years and prepare to snark through.

The nation's lived through lousy leaders before. Are we going to come back? We'll see. But we did get a Reagan after Jimmeh.

jsid-1201043894-586789  Kevin Baker at Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:18:14 +0000

And eight years of Clinton after Reagan.

So your point is...?

jsid-1201045701-586790  LabRat at Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:48:21 +0000

To the extent that I had one, it's that the nation does go through periods where it shovels out some of the crap, as well as ones where it piles it on.

jsid-1201046397-586792  Kevin Baker at Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:59:57 +0000

Sorry, LabRat, but from my perspective the twenty years since Reagan have all been "piling on" WRT government growth, invasiveness, and overreach.

And the next 20 don't look promising.

I'm reminded of Rev. Donald Sensing's comment from Dec. 12, 2003:

I predict that the Bush administration will be seen by freedom-wishing Americans a generation or two hence as the hinge on the cell door locking up our freedom. When my children are my age, they will not be free in any recognizably traditional American meaning of the word. I’d tell them to emigrate, but there’s nowhere left to go. I am left with nauseating near-conviction that I am a member of the last generation in the history of the world that is minimally truly free.

jsid-1201049238-586793  Jim at Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:47:18 +0000

I'll put strong odds on a Waco, The Sequel ! occuring sometime during Bill Clinton's Third Term.

Only this time, it'll lead to an emergency Executive Order, to round 'em all up n' turn 'em all in.

50/50, at the very least.

We had a Republic, if we coulda kept it.

Sloop New Dawn
Galveston, TX

jsid-1201051531-586796  Clay at Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:25:31 +0000

I had an interesting conversation with a colleague today about this situation. I've never been a Fred supporter, even though I really have nothing against him. Up until recently I've been a Ron Paul supporter but I'm not unsure of that status because of his supposed profiting from racial rhetoric.

It's to the point where it almost feels futile to vote. I can't really vote for any (R) because most of them really are practicing a new pseudo-communism along with the rest of the rest. If I can't vote for Paul on those principles listed above I certainly can't vote for any (D) because they all have systematically pandered to every minority available. Strangely they seem to be immune to this same racist rhetoric - Obama has pressed the race card increasingly over few weeks, seemingly immune.

This same colleague had a very interesting observation: The people who need to be running a 3 trillion dollar budget are not interested because they understand the consequences of screwing that up. The people drawn to it are exactly the opposite of what we need - people who want control over one of the largest government budgets in the world to advance their own agendas. Until our government is so neutered that no one desires that power but the right people we will continue to have this problem.

I'm with you Kevin. Tear it all down and start over.

jsid-1201052577-586798  Engineer-Poet at Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:42:57 +0000

I heard the news on the radio and figured there'd be a reaction here.

I was right.

I didn't learn much about Thompson, figuring he had no chance and didn't rate the time (learned enough about Fuckheadbee to know that the Iowa Republican Party is deeply and severely ill, not having any idea of the difference between a republic and a theocracy). Voted for Ron Paul in the primary.

The Republicans have shown that they have no spine. They could have stood up for the separation of powers and the rule of law, by demanding Bush step down or be impeached; this, they refused to do. They could have broken with his policies (taxing the hedge-fund billionaires at the same rate as middle-class families would be a good start!), but nobody but Paul has shown any tendencies toward that. It looks like today's Republican Party is in somebody's pocket, or most of the candidates are being blackmailed to support the Bush policies even at the cost of being electable.

This MUST be punished. The Republic cannot survive if it is allowed to continue. If a third party shows promise I'll vote for it, but failing that I'll hold my nose and vote "D".

jsid-1201053068-586799  JR at Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:51:08 +0000

We can still influence the legislature.

POTUS was not the only office up for grabs this year.

As we are not going to get a freedom and liberty president, we best dam well make sure we get a legislature willing to rein in whoever the POTUS happens to be.

jsid-1201053183-586800  MuzzleBlast at Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:53:03 +0000

So Fred bails. BFD. I'll vote for Ron Paul in the primaries and I'll write him in on the ballot instead of voting for the nominee(s). One of these days, you'll come to learn that our foreign misadventures are sending us to the poorhouse just as much as our ever-increasing socialism. Hey, if Billary is going to come for your guns, fukkin' leather up and vote from the rooftops with a 30-ballot magazine and back up all the yakkin' and typin' you do on these blogs.

jsid-1201053487-586801  Engineer-Poet at Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:58:07 +0000

My stripper clips hold a lot more than 30 rounds.

jsid-1201053857-586802  Greybeard at Wed, 23 Jan 2008 02:04:17 +0000

You guys sound like a bunch of Gloom and Doomer's. (is there a place on the bench for me?)
As a ex-democrat, I can say that there isn't even close to one dumocrat that I would even consider putting up for supreme leader.
Hide and bury your guns, but keep a loaded one by the doorway. Teach your children well. DON'T GET NOTICED! poop!

jsid-1201063480-586804  bob r at Wed, 23 Jan 2008 04:44:40 +0000

"Up until recently I've been a Ron Paul supporter but I'm not unsure of that status because of his supposed profiting from racial rhetoric."

A response to the smear campaign against Ron Paul.

jsid-1201063911-586805  Oldsmoblogger at Wed, 23 Jan 2008 04:51:51 +0000

Well, this sucks...but I’ll be damned if I strike my colors.

Dark days ahead, to be sure. Ain’t the first time. Won’t be the last. So what? The animating contest of our time goes on, and fortunate we are to have a hand in it. The Founders were the chief men of their time in terms of merit, and certainly among their number in property and influence, but they were not royal governors, high Crown functionaries, not demigods, but mortal men like you and me.

Who puts his trust in princes abdicates his plain duty. We don’t need a man on a white horse to ride in and save us. All we need is our own damned selves. Somewhere, ladies and gentlemen, maybe right in this here mess, there is a Hancock...a Paine...a Sam Adams...a Revere. They didn’t wait for George Washington or Thomas Jefferson to ride over the hill...they did what was within their compass to do in their place and time. When the times called for the talents of Washington and Jefferson, there they were...but the other Founders, to say nothing of the anonymous thousands of Boston Common, Lexington Green, and everywhere else free men resisted tyranny, by means peaceable or otherwise, didn't wring their hands until the right leader came along.

No, Washington did not quit at Valley Forge, and thank G_d he did not. Very well--those we would ask to lead us are smaller now; we have to be bigger.

Ave atque vale, Fred Thompson. It’s up to us now, our plain selves. We must do what we can, and leave what we cannot to Providence.

jsid-1201064125-586806  Unix-Jedi at Wed, 23 Jan 2008 04:55:25 +0000


If a third party shows promise I'll vote for it, but failing that I'll hold my nose and vote "D".

Because otherwise you were such a staunch Republican?

Ow. Ought to warn someone before you say something that funny, I almost threw my back out laughing. :)

jsid-1201067272-586811  Engineer-Poet at Wed, 23 Jan 2008 05:47:52 +0000

I mostly vote Libertarian, but when the Republicans are running up Great Society-sized deficits, handing out pork like there's no tomorrow and creating a surveillance state, I'll vote however will give them a spanking for forgetting their principles.

jsid-1201070363-586812  Unix-Jedi at Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:39:23 +0000


I think the smear campaign was waged by, err, Ron Paul.

jsid-1201084398-586815  Mike at Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:33:18 +0000

Any moment now, I'll wake up next to Suzanne Pleshette. Any moment. Now.

jsid-1201097167-586819  Kevin Baker at Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:06:07 +0000

I'll vote however will give them a spanking for forgetting their principles.

They've already proven that "spankings" don't affect them.

At this point I'm fairly sure that a clue-by-four wouldn't either - and that goes for both parties. (See the "bipartisan" - and rabid - resistance to earmark reform ongoing.)

Nope. The Democrats have taken the mantle of the Mommy-State, and the Republicans have taken the mantle of the Daddy-State, and we peons are and will continue to be treated as children by our betters.

And, unfortunately, a majority of the voting public has been convinced that they like it that way.

jsid-1201100073-586823  DJ at Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:54:33 +0000

I refuse to cut off my nose to spite my face, as the cliche says. Been there, done that, and it hurts.

In '92, I voted for Perot after refusing to vote for George Bush Sr. His renege on "no new taxes" crossed the line, in my opinion, and he didn't deserve the Presidency. There is conjecture that Perot had this in mind, that his real goal was not to be elected, rather it was to spoil the election for Bush Sr. Well, he succeeded, and I regret my vote to this day.

I will NOT, under any circumstances, vote for Hillary Clinton.

Consider: We now have DC v. Heller before the Supreme Court, and it should be decided before the election. Perhaps it will have some influence thereon. The thought that gives me the dry heaves is of Hillary Clingon appointing a few new members of the Court who would then consider the cases that (I expect) will come down the 'pike later.

The Senate can veto such choices, but the choices are up to the President. We do NOT need a President who appoints judges who believe the Constitution can be ignored, or that it means whatever they redefine the words therein to mean.

So, if we're stuck with a Dimocrat for President, then try for gridlock in the Senate.

In my experience, there is always someone worth voting against in any election. To use a rationale that you have articulated before, Kevin, I refuse to simply allow them to win by default. If Hillary Clingon is the candidate of the Dimocrat party, then I will cast my vote in whatever way is most likely to help cause her defeat.

In this state, it will likely be moot, anyway. Go see the county-by-county red/blue map of the '04 election and note that Oklahoma is the only state in which every county is red.

jsid-1201103796-586827  Curtis Lowe at Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:56:36 +0000

I know we ain't a democracy, but Mencken said it very well...

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."—H.L. Mencken

jsid-1201108332-586829  Eagle 1 at Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:12:12 +0000

I see the Ronulans are busy trying to capitalize on Fred's departure....... No Thanks! Vote Democrat or stay home? NFW! There was a good point made somewhere else this morning via the Puppyblender that a brokered convention would be an interesting way to go. A gigantic civics lesson for the whole country. Sort of like the lesson on the Electoral College we got in 2000. That would be contingent on a three-way race though, and a Giuliani win in Fla. and splitting many state Feb 5th.

Eagle 1

jsid-1201119109-586834  Rob at Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:11:49 +0000

There was a great deal of energy generated amongst the FredHeads, just as the campaign was imploding. I am considering starting a Yahoo Group to kind of keep the group together. Many in the closing entries have said that they are interested in a third party or a write-in for Fred.

I don't see an answer in the current field. Fred was not perfect, but he was as solid as any in recent memory. I think that economic stimulus is a dumb idea.

I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.
- Winston Churchill

Newt has gone off the plantation...

Perhaps Thomas Sowell?


Any ideas on how a civilian movement is managed and gains momentum (as opposed to Fred's campaign which, apparently, had neither management or momentum)?

jsid-1201126854-586837  DirtCrashr at Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:20:54 +0000

I'm voting for Obama because I know where he stand on guns and I can't tell that about Mitt or Julie.

jsid-1201132116-586843  EricWS at Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:48:36 +0000

Better the honest gungrabber than the stealth one, DirtCrashr?

jsid-1201140685-586855  Markadelphia at Thu, 24 Jan 2008 02:11:25 +0000

Actually, DJ, I think if you'd like to have the policies of George W. Bush continue and, quite literally, have everything stay exactly like it is now...and that includes guns, health care, education, environment...then you should vote for Hillary.

As each day goes by, I am more and more convinced that the ruling elite of this country have installed a de facto monarchy that will do their bidding.

jsid-1201336909-586987  Ragin' Dave at Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:41:49 +0000

How about we avoid anyone named "Bush" or "Clinton" for, oh, the next hundred years?

Anyone else down with that?

jsid-1201363097-586989  Markadelphia at Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:58:17 +0000

I'm down!

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