JS-Kit/Echo comments for article at http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2007/11/cha-ching.html (14 comments)

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jsid-1194734855-583437  DJ at Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:47:35 +0000

It's only money, and it doesn't matter because this is America, where you can go out and earn some more.

jsid-1194736078-583438  Kevin Baker at Sat, 10 Nov 2007 23:07:58 +0000

Yes, but the problem with this hobby is it tends to interfere with those frivolous expenditures, like home maintenance.

jsid-1194747727-583444  Joe Huffman at Sun, 11 Nov 2007 02:22:07 +0000

I don't recommend the ballistics chart unless you have printed it out for that particular location on that particular day. At long ranges you need to take into account air temperature, elevation, slope, and precise muzzle velocity.

At 700 yards with .308 Federal Match 175 grain, at sea level, the difference between 40 F and 90 F is over eight inches. Add in all the other variables and the chart is only good enough to be within the field of view for your spotter.

jsid-1194748585-583449  Kevin Baker at Sun, 11 Nov 2007 02:36:25 +0000

Wow! Eight inches! I would never have guessed!

jsid-1194749618-583450  emdfl at Sun, 11 Nov 2007 02:53:38 +0000

Might I suggest that you have the finish done by Walt Birdsong(W.E. Birdsong & Assoc.)? He will do a rifle in his Black-T finish for $198 +$20 for return shipping. His finish goes on everything down to the springs and screws - without causing a measurable dimensional change - (not the bore of course). As a reference I have his finish on the muzzle brake of my .50BMG rifle and haven't managed to shoot it off yet.

The best part of the operation is calling the place and his answering the phone. If you are a fast talker and a good listener, you might be able to hang up 20 minutes later.

jsid-1194751550-583451  Joe at Sun, 11 Nov 2007 03:25:50 +0000

What no suppressor??!!! you could shoot it w/o muffs and get reduced recoil in the bargain.

jsid-1194759753-583457  Kevin Baker at Sun, 11 Nov 2007 05:42:33 +0000

No, no can. If it doesn't make the rifle shoot better I'm not really interested. And I have some Peltor 6S muffs, so the noise doesn't really bother me.

jsid-1194792832-583464  DJ at Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:53:52 +0000

Please give us a good review of Ultra Bore Coat. It's so new that the only reviews I can find online are just cut-and-pasted from the manufacturer. A good dose of unbiased reality would do wonders.

jsid-1194796536-583467  Kevin Baker at Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:55:36 +0000

Handloader magazine had a piece on it a couple of months ago. I can't find that issue right now, but the conclusion of the author was that it really did work. It didn't affect accuracy, but it did make cleanup much, much easier. I decided right then I needed to try it. Now I have a rifle that justifies the need.

I will report, however.

jsid-1194798510-583472  DJ at Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:28:30 +0000

I have a 31-year-old Model 70 and a 2-year-old Kimber that would make good test beds. Both are accurate, so I don't want to mess with what works. I look forward to your conclusions.

jsid-1194799231-583473  Firehand at Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:40:31 +0000

Very interested in the Bore Coat findings.

And I didn't think the temp would make that much difference, either.

jsid-1194800308-583476  Joe Huffman at Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:58:28 +0000

The temperature differences I mentioned don't even include the differences you see from powder burn rate changes. But if you use Varget or anything in Hodgdon's Extreme Series that issue goes away.

It's the enviromentals that make the calculator and "all the bells and whistles" necessary. Tilt and slope make large differences too. Check out Modern Ballistics to see for yourself (it assumes tilt is zero however--it can be made zero if you have the bubble level).

jsid-1194840313-583515  Rabbit at Mon, 12 Nov 2007 04:05:13 +0000

Have you considered the splendid conversion to accept M14 mags? Seems to me like Robar does that. I saw a 700 in SWAT mag a year or two ago with a MC Bros folding stock that had the treatment. IIRC, I think Leroy owns it.


jsid-1195001194-583622  D at Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:46:34 +0000

Excellent choice in rifles. I want, I want...but must wait for $$$. I'll be looking forward to your reports on the finish/optics/etc. That will really help when it comes my turn.

Nice! :)

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