JS-Kit/Echo comments for article at http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2007/09/open-letter-to-robyn-ringler.html (15 comments)

  Tentative mapping of comments to original article, corrections solicited.

jsid-1189041829-579694  thirdpower at Thu, 06 Sep 2007 01:23:49 +0000

Give it time, it sometimes takes a day or so for the posts to appear.

jsid-1189078315-579703  Robb Allen at Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:31:55 +0000

Also, you can see *your* posts, but nobody else can until she moderates them. If you clear your cookies it will disappear.

jsid-1189082897-579706  Guav at Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:48:17 +0000

Yeah, I also have a comment awaiting moderation in that entry.

jsid-1189083157-579707  Guav at Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:52:37 +0000

Robyn is not going to accept your challenge. Not because she's afraid to or doesn't feel her arguments are up to the task, but because it's pretty obvious that she's not a debater.

Not everyone is good at or enjoys debate, some people just like to write. Some people do both, but often that's not the case.

jsid-1189086374-579713  Kevin Baker at Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:46:14 +0000

Hey, she was the one who said she wanted to discuss the topic. Remember, "a venue for reasonable voices"?

jsid-1189089616-579719  Yosemite Sam at Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:40:16 +0000

"a venue for reasonable voices"?

Unfortunately, to the anti's, reasonable means that we should ban everything except break action shotguns. If you disagree, you are just an unreasonable meanie and that can't be tolerated.

jsid-1189091046-579722  Guav at Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:04:06 +0000

And she has been discussing the topic. It's just that her interpretation of a discussion is this: She says what's on her mind, then she reads what we have to say about it. We get our side in, but it never continues past that—there's no going down the line and conceding or refuting points, it's just a "Ok, we both had our say" thing for her.

jsid-1189092757-579723  Sailorcurt at Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:32:37 +0000

The point I raised, which she refused to post by the way, is that she and the other anti-gunners don't want to find "common ground". They simply want their way.

Their version of "common ground" is, if we will approve their current agenda, they'll "allow" us to keep our guns...well, except for the ones that look like assault weapons...and the ones that have a capacity over 10 rounds, or 7 rounds, or 5 rounds, or whatever the magic number is this week...and the ones that are too big...and the ones that are too small...etc etc etc.

My specific question to her was, in order to find this mythical "common ground", what three current gun control laws would she agree to see repealed if the gun rights lobby would concede three gun control agenda items.

Notably, she refused to even post the question, let alone try to explain how expecting us to meekly give in to their demands without any quid pro quo could possibly constitute "common ground."

She has said it herself...she is a columnist. She is used to one way conversations wherein she can say whatever she wants and can assume that her audience accepts her pearls of wisdom at face value because they have no avenue for rebuttal. She doesn't deal well with having to defend her untruths, misstatements and outright falsehoods because she simply is not used to having to do so.

It's nothing more than another case of a self-righteous, elitist, petty tyrant objecting when we lowly people, who should be thanking her for gracing us with her wisdom and insight, have the gall to contradict her. How DARE we!!! Don't we know our PLACE???

jsid-1189098960-579729  Guav at Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:16:00 +0000

I just left her another comment on that entry:

"Robyn, it's been more than 24 hours since I made that last comment, and it still hasn't appeared on the entry—I know other people have also replied to this entry whose comments haven't made it through moderation yet.

You said you were allowing comments through the 8th ... I hope you're not trying to sit on these comments for two more days and then be like, "Ooops, sorry I didn't get around to allowing your comment, but it's too late now."

Also, when you disable comments on Saturday, will the comments on these older entries still be visible, or are you going to wipe them clean?"

jsid-1189108930-579742  ParatrooperJJ at Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:02:10 +0000

It is pretty clear she is an idiot. i wonder if I would get anywhere filing a complaint with her licensing board.

jsid-1189109824-579746  Guav at Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:17:04 +0000

And what exactly would your complaint be? And it would get you where?

She has every right to be as wrong as she wants, trying to fuck with her professional life is completely crossing the line.

What a horrendous idea.

jsid-1189114047-579747  Kevin Baker at Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:27:27 +0000

Thank you Guav. I concur completely. Screwing with someone's professional career because you disagree with their politics is over the line.

jsid-1189207743-579839  TheProfitSamuel at Fri, 07 Sep 2007 23:29:03 +0000

Robin, since you have become a lightning rod on RTKBA, why not let others help? Do the best you can and others will join the fray. Who cares if you aren't the champion debater of the universe? DO SOMETHING! We don't need quitters. We need staunch determination in the face of overwhelming odds. Come on. Open it back up.

jsid-1189364025-579936  cmblake6 at Sun, 09 Sep 2007 18:53:45 +0000

Kevin, the reason she doesn't wish to debate is simple. If you calmly debate, with points of fact, the emotion the grabbers rely on is removed. Provable points can over ride emotion when put in black and white on paper/screen. They lose.

jsid-1189364117-579938  Kevin Baker at Sun, 09 Sep 2007 18:55:17 +0000

I'm aware of that, CM.

Apparently, so is she.

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