JS-Kit/Echo comments for article at http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2007/08/this-is-what-licensing-and-registration.html (13 comments)

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jsid-1187322388-578444  EricWS at Fri, 17 Aug 2007 03:46:28 +0000

And how exactly is having the Democrats running things better, Markadelphia?

jsid-1187325274-578445  Kevin S. at Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:34:34 +0000

Damn. I thought California was bad. Licenses just to own guns?

jsid-1187355808-578454  Robb Allen at Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:03:28 +0000

Defacto registry.

I wouldn't do it. It's bad enough it cost me $150 and 3 months of waiting for my CCW (oddly, that experience is what opened my eyes up to all this bullshit) but they can kiss my brown ass if they think I'd ever "register" a firearm. Once that day happens, I turn into Public Enemy #1 and purchase everything "illegally".

jsid-1187358342-578459  Kevin Baker at Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:45:42 +0000

Once that day happens, I turn into Public Enemy #1 and purchase everything "illegally".

And Ayn Rand will, once again, be proven right.

jsid-1187358695-578461  Yosemite Sam at Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:51:35 +0000

"People come in to renew and are shocked it's $100,"

You can blame Mitt Romney for that. He raised the fee to renew a gun license to $100 when he was governor.

jsid-1187375673-578466  Robb Allen at Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:34:33 +0000

Kevin, I'm not a major Rand fan. I find a lot of her "objectiveitynessish" stuff poppycock. However, I respect a lot of what she wrote.

Can I ask to what you're referring, though?

jsid-1187376446-578467  Chris Byrne at Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:47:26 +0000

THe purpose of oppressive laws is to make ordinary people into criminals; because the government can't control you unless it has something to hang over your head.

WHen enough people are made into criminals, then a pervasive disregard of the law will inevitably follow.

jsid-1187380179-578469  Kevin Baker at Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:49:39 +0000


The full quote is in a post below, but here it is again:

There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on the guilt. Now that’s the system! - Atlas Shrugged

Regardless of the source of the name of this blog, I am not an abject fan of Ms. Rand either - perhaps best exampled by this quote by ex-blogger Dipnut of Isntapundit:

Perhaps the biggest mistake an intellectual can make is to try to parlay his one brilliant insight into a unified theory of existence. Ayn Rand made this mistake with Objectivism. Objectivism was useful for thinking in certain limited realms, but Rand sought to apply Objectivist thinking to every aspect of the human experience, including love. The result is a sterile philosophical landscape, extending out of sight in all directions. Tellingly, Rand was unable to live according to her ideals. This is part of what makes Rand so disagreeable; the almost hysterical denial of subjectivity's inevitable, essential role in our lives. And it makes her not only disagreeable, but wrong.

But what she got right, she really got right.

jsid-1187448295-578491  Robb Allen at Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:44:55 +0000

Got it. I never finished Atlas Shrugged because, well, even the sex scenes were like watching robotic machines stamp out hoods for Volkswagens.

However, that scene where Francisco d'Anconia is at Dagny's party and is explaining to a group of people the power and reason of wealth is one of the things that I need to read over and over until it is memorized. It is sheer perfection at describing capitalism and all that it gives us as humans.

jsid-1187452255-578498  Kevin Baker at Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:50:55 +0000


WRT Atlas Shrugged, I'm right there with you. I got to John Galt's 50-page speech, and that was all she wrote for me.

Rand was a very good essayist. A novelist? Not so much.

jsid-1187483096-578521  triticale at Sun, 19 Aug 2007 00:24:56 +0000

If it were possible to be a moderate Objectivist, I might have become one, but since it is an absolutist philosophy I was only influenced by it. Part of my problem was that at the time I was reading Atlas Shrugged, I was purchasing several ton of steel a month, and much of her plot hinged on an incorrect model of steel distribution.

Back to the original topic. We didn't leave Illinois expressly because of the gun laws, altho at one time my wee wifey had raised that possibility. When the opportunity to move did arise, the gun laws were the clinching factor.

jsid-1187487906-578528  Fûz at Sun, 19 Aug 2007 01:45:06 +0000

Please, gun owners, come to Wyoming or Montana.

You are wanted, welcome, needed.

jsid-1187609253-578582  Bruce at Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:27:33 +0000

Why not make it $100 annually?

They did.

That's what it costs someone from out of state to obtain (and renew) a non-resident LTC.

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