JS-Kit/Echo comments for article at http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2006/01/apparently-along-with-chocolate-rivers.html (22 comments)

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jsid-1137473777-340164  Kirk at Tue, 17 Jan 2006 04:56:17 +0000

I used to work in PG county schools.

I was just down the street from the school in which a student tried to sell a gun in the bathroom. The teacher that was shot came in the bathroom and asked for the gun. The student then shot him in the stomach.

The two really bad parts of this story. 1. The student was a child of a PG cop. 2. The student was trying to sell dad's service weapon, dad was on the way to the school to confront his son when the son shot the teacher...

PG is not a nice place, there were schools that I would not go to while school was in session. The students were just too dangerous.

jsid-1137519858-340236  Rusticus at Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:44:18 +0000

And don't forget Canada's increasingly costly gun registration boondoggle. How does the unnamed author purpose we register and ban all the existing guns?

Pixie dust? Wishing really really hard?

jsid-1137520146-340238  BlackWing1 at Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:49:06 +0000


Thank you for taking the time and trouble to debunk this kind of nonsense. A clear, concise, point-by-point refutation of their absurdities is occasionally necessary, even though it will pass through the gun-banners echo chambers completely ignored and un-heard.

jsid-1137529306-340270  Kevin Baker at Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:21:46 +0000

Actually, I kind of enjoy it (in a sick, twisted way.) The op-eds make me angry, debunking them calms me down.

jsid-1137530758-340278  triticale at Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:45:58 +0000

By the way, that seven to one ratio on domestic shootings consists mostly of suicides, not statistically reduced by gun bans, and ongoing patterns of domestic violence. Factor them out and the claim goes out the window.

jsid-1137533674-340287  Joe Huffman at Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:34:34 +0000

If it's theraphy for your high blood pressure then by all means continue to fisk them. But really all that needs to be done is ask Just One Question.

jsid-1137549174-340316  Kevin Baker at Wed, 18 Jan 2006 01:52:54 +0000

Where's the fun in that, Joe? ;-)

jsid-1137591032-340365  Bruce at Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:30:32 +0000

Facts? How dare you use facts!

This is "common-sense" gun control we're talking about. We don't need no stinkin' facts!

jsid-1137604897-340414  Joe Huffman at Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:21:37 +0000

I understand the fun aspect, but I'm of the opinion we should stop playing with them like a cat with a mouse and (politically) exterminate them. There are other aspects of our freedom that need to be addressed and not having the distraction of holding on to our right to keep and bear arms would be a big help.

jsid-1137607810-340420  Kevin Baker at Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:10:10 +0000

(Politically) exterminating them sounds good, but they're like cockroaches - nothing stops them.

jsid-1137619775-340454  Bruce at Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:29:35 +0000

Kevin, where di you get the dead horse-beating .gif?

I might have to "borrow" it.

jsid-1137621969-340459  Kevin Baker at Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:06:09 +0000

Off of AR15.com. Be my guest.

jsid-1137625847-340468  TS at Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:10:47 +0000

But with all the evidence against you, you still won't stop flogging that equine corpse.

For the answer to why the gun grabbers will not give up, consult Chairman Mao's Little Red Book". The answer should become quite obvious.

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jsid-1137683063-340536  1894C at Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:04:23 +0000

Very nicely done. Sadly it is like yelling in the wind to GFWs.

jsid-1137794897-340740  Kim du Toit at Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:08:17 +0000

"Such a bill was proposed more than a decade ago by Sen. John Chafee (R-R.I.), who has since died."

I have an alibi.

jsid-1137794996-340741  Kim du Toit at Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:09:56 +0000

Oh, and Father John's GFW work has been ably [sic] continued by his son, Lincoln (may his toes rot) Chafee, who has the gumption to term himself a Republican (Rhode Island definition, maybe).

jsid-1137803429-340766  Nylarthotep at Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:30:29 +0000

Another impressive fisking. Excellent links as usual. Now I have a lot more reading for the weekend.

Thanks for the links.

jsid-1138294512-341551  homeboy at Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:55:12 +0000

Good article, but there are a lot of questions that have been bothering me about the whole debate. I'm afraid that they're not very organized, but if anybody has the knowledge and data, I'd be interested:

1. With improvements in medical technology and access (cell phones), are comparisons with past homicide numbers meaningful?

2. It seems more honest to compare attempted murder rates since the survival rate is much higher now; is there statistical data available, or can it be estimated?

3. Is the data available to remove the suicide and domestic violence effects from the statistics used to claim that handguns in a home lead to higher homicide rates, and if so, what is the result?

4. Since we incarcerate at much higher rates than even 20 years ago, what effect is this having on who is committing the bulk of homicides?

5. If we're incarcerating so many people, but we're still having a problem with homicide, what is it we're not doing right? Is there a high recindivism rate, or are new criminals arising to fill the some niche, or are we just incarcerating the wrong people?

6. If it's a high recindivism rate, is it because prison time insufficient deterent, or is the percentage of perpetrators actually punished too low to matter?

7. How much of the homicide rate is caused by the "war on drugs" making narco-trafficing so lucrative?

8. What are the demographics of homicide victims and perpetrators; do we have an urban, suburban or rural problem; do we have a poverty problem; or is it a wide spread social problem; or is it predominately racial/predjudical problem; or is it largely caused by the drug war?

From an individual standpoint, I've applied for a CCW, and think that it's insane to not be capable of defending myself if at all possible. However, it also look as if the gun ban folks have defined the debate, and they're really not interested in talking about reality. I believe that if we only respond to their talking points, we may win the argument, but will we have done what is necessary so that most people won't be shaking in their shoes every time they see a gun?

jsid-1138299277-341563  Kevin Baker at Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:14:37 +0000

Good questions, all.

"will we have done what is necessary so that most people won't be shaking in their shoes every time they see a gun?"

The only thing that can overcome that is familiarity, and that's difficult to achieve. I'll see if I can answer some of the others when I get a chance.

jsid-1140617906-344866  dick head at Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:18:26 +0000

your a fucking bastard

jsid-1140621932-344880  Kevin Baker at Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:25:32 +0000

It's "you're," a contraction of "you are." Also the "Y" should be capitalized, since it's the first letter in the sentence. "Your" is the possessive form, as in "Your head looks like a dick!"

And I assure you, my parents were married long before I was born.

But thanks for contributing to the conversation!

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